How old is Jacob when Maggie returns from her trip to Barnard's Star?

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The problem involves a scenario where Maggie, who is eleven years old, travels to Barnard's Star, which is 5.96 light years away, and returns younger than her brother Jacob, who is ten years younger than her. The task is to determine Jacob's age upon Maggie's return, considering relativistic effects during the journey.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of the formula v=d/t to relate distance and velocity, and they explore the implications of time dilation on the ages of Maggie and Jacob during the trip. There are attempts to express the ages in terms of variables and equations, with some participants questioning the assumptions made about velocity and time.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on manipulating the equations and suggested alternative approaches to express the problem in terms of the speed as a fraction of the speed of light. There is ongoing exploration of the algebra involved, with participants expressing uncertainty about their calculations and the complexity of the equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of specific velocity information and the challenges posed by the relativistic effects on time experienced by Maggie and Jacob. There are indications of confusion regarding unit consistency in the calculations.

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another special R question... need help

Homework Statement



Maggie, eleven years old, is very jealous of her younger brother Jacob. Jacob, at
ten years younger, is just a baby, and Maggie feels that he gets all the attention at home.
She sneaks onto a spaceship leaving for Barnard’s Star, 5.96 light years away from the solar system. She is hoping that by the time the ship gets back, she will be the baby of the family. Her plan works and when she returns, she is (biologically) a year younger than Jacob. How old is Jacob when Maggie gets back from her trip? Assume that the trip to Barnard’s Star and back happened at a constant speed and that the ship spent very little time at Barnard’s Star itself.

Homework Equations



v=d/t
Tsqrt(1-(v/c)^2)=T'

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok my attempt:
So the problem does not give a velocity however I think I still need to use v=d/t. d=(5.96*2). Thus v=11.92/t
Now I want maggies age(M) when she gets back to be jacobs age(J) - 1.
So:
before:
M = 11
J = 1
After:
M = J -1
J = ?

I am not sure what to do next now! or if this is even right ?

Need some guidance.
 
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hi renegade05! :wink:

call the speed v

then find the formula for the age increase of both

show us what you get :smile:
 
I'm not sure where to go from here, I have a formula for the age increase of Maggie and Jason but I'm stuck on what to do next. I tried solving for v but that proved impossible. Anyway this is what have, if anyone can suggest a next step I would greatly appreciate it!

d=5.96ly
t_J=(2*5.96ly)/v=11.92/v (this is the time increase from Jasons FoR)
t_M=(1/γ)(11.92/v) (this is the time increase from Maggies perspective)

J=1+11.92/v
M=11+(1/γ)(11.92/v)

M=J-1
(substituting)
11+(1/γ)(11.92/v)=11.92/v

Am I on the right track? I can't seem to solve this last equation and neither can WolframAlpha.
 
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Looks good. You might find it easier to solve for ##\beta=v/c##. You have
$$11\text{ yr} + \frac{1}\gamma \frac{11.92\text{ ly}}v = \frac{11.92\text{ ly}}v$$ which, in terms of ##\beta##, becomes
$$11\text{ yr} + \frac{1}\gamma \frac{11.92\text{ ly}/c}\beta = \frac{11.92\text{ ly}/c}\beta$$ where ##\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-(v/c)^2}} = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\beta^2}}##. To get rid of the square root, isolate ##1/\gamma## on one side of the equation and then square both sides.
 
It's such a messy equation, this is what Wolfram says it should be but I keep getting different answers, too many algebra mistakes I guess!

This is what I get:

v=(22*11.92*c^2)/(11.92^2+121c^2)

but it evaluates to a v ≈ 2.17
 
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You're messing up the units.
 

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