How Much Should the Radius Increase to Enlarge the Circle's Area by b Units?

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The discussion revolves around determining how much the radius of a circle should be increased to achieve a specified increase in the area by b units. The conversation includes mathematical reasoning and attempts to clarify the relationship between radius and area.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the area formula A = π•r² to approach the problem.
  • One participant proposes that the area can be expressed as A = π(r + b)², which is challenged by others.
  • Another participant clarifies that b represents an area, not a distance, and suggests setting up the equation π(r + x)² = πr² + b, where x is the increase in radius.
  • A participant confirms the method of solving for x but later questions the notation used in the final steps of their derivation.
  • Corrections are made regarding the mathematical expression, specifically the placement of the division symbol in the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial approach to the problem, with some disagreement on how to correctly relate the increase in area to the increase in radius. However, there is agreement on the method involving the equation π(r + x)² = πr² + b.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between area and radius, particularly in the initial proposals. The discussion also highlights the importance of correct mathematical notation in deriving the solution.

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The radius of a circle is r units. By how many units should the radius be increased so that the area increases by b units?

The information in this problem tells me that using the area of a circle formula is needed.

A = pi•r^2

I think b should be added to r and squared.

A = pi(r + b)^2

Can someone provide a one or two hints?
 
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RTCNTC said:
The radius of a circle is r units. By how many units should the radius be increased so that the area increases by b units?

The information in this problem tells me that using the area of a circle formula is needed.

A = pi•r^2

I think b should be added to r and squared.

A = pi(r + b)^2

Can someone provide a one or two hints?
You certainly should not add $b$ to $r$, because $b$ is an area and $r$ is a distance. Adding a two-dimensional quantity to a one-dimensional quantity does not make sense.

What you want to know is how much to increase $r$ so that $\pi r^2$ becomes $\pi r^2 + b$. Suppose that $x$ is the amount that has to be added to $r$. Then the equation is $\pi(r+x)^2 = \pi r^2 + b$. So you need to solve that equation for $x$.
 
Opalg said:
You certainly should not add $b$ to $r$, because $b$ is an area and $r$ is a distance. Adding a two-dimensional quantity to a one-dimensional quantity does not make sense.

What you want to know is how much to increase $r$ so that $\pi r^2$ becomes $\pi r^2 + b$. Suppose that $x$ is the amount that has to be added to $r$. Then the equation is $\pi(r+x)^2 = \pi r^2 + b$. So you need to solve that equation for $x$.

I understand what you are saying.

π(r + x)^2 = A + b

π(r + x)^2 = πr^2 + b

(r + x)^2 = (πr^2 + b)/π

sqrt{(r + x)^2} = sqrt{(πr^2 + b)/π}

r + x = sqrt{(πr^2 + b)/π}

x = sqrt{(πr^2 + b)/π} - r

Correct?
 
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RTCNTC said:
π(r + x)^2 = A + b

π(r + x)^2 = πr^2 + b

(r + x)^2 = (πr^2 + b)/π

sqrt{(r + x)^2} = sqrt{(πr^2 + b)π}

r + x = sqrt{(πr^2 + b)π}

x = sqrt{(πr^2 + b)π} - r

Correct?
The method is correct, but in the last three lines you should have $(\pi r^2 + b)/\pi$ instead of $(\pi r^2 + b)\pi$.
 
Opalg said:
The method is correct, but in the last three lines you should have $(\pi r^2 + b)/\pi$ instead of $(\pi r^2 + b)\pi$.

I just forgot to include the slash symbol in the last 3 lines. It has now been edited.
 

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