How Much Weight Can the Sign Hold Without Breaking the Cable?

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The problem involves determining the maximum mass of a sign supported by a pole and cable system, with specific constraints on tension and dimensions. The subject area includes concepts from static equilibrium and torque analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply torque equations to find the mass of the sign, questioning the correctness of their calculations and assumptions regarding angles and trigonometric functions.

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Participants are actively discussing the calculations and the application of torque principles. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric functions, and there is an ongoing exploration of potential errors in the original poster's approach.

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The original poster mentions using degrees for angle measurements and expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations. There is a focus on ensuring the proper application of torque equations and the correct interpretation of angles.

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Homework Statement


A 120-cm-wide sign hangs from a 5.4 kg, 200-cm-long pole. A cable of negligible mass supports the end of the rod as shown in the figure.

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What is the maximum mass of the sign if the maximum tension in the cable without breaking is 380 N?

Homework Equations


\Sigma \tau = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


It is my understanding that the above equation is an adaptation of Newton's Second Law, \vec{F}=ma. Since the system is at equilibrium, the torque evaluates zero. I summed up the torque forces, and set them equal to zero.

\Sigma \tau = 0
-m_{s}gr_{s}-m_{b}(g)(r_{b})+\vec{F}(r_{c})(atan(250/200)) = 0

I calculated r_{s} by taking the center of the sign and adding the initial space of 80cm from the left wall.
r_{s} = 0.80 + (1.20 / 2) = 1.40

I calculated r_{b} by taking the length of the main bar and, since it has uniform density, simply divided the length by two.
r_{b} = 2 / 1 = 1

Plugging in the values I have, I compiled this equation:
-m_{s}(9.8)(1.40)-5.4(9.8)(1)+380(2)(atan(250/200)) = 0

Solving for m_{s} (the mass of the sign), I get m_{s} \approx 46, but that was judged as incorrect. I believe my error may be in the atan(250/200) at the end of my equation.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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The torque exerted by the cable is Frsin(theta). You used Fr*theta.
 
Alright, so I modified my equation to -m_{s}(9.8)(1.40)-5.4(9.8)(1)+380(2)(sin(atan(250/200))) = 0, which results in 18, but that is still incorrect. Is there something else I am doing wrong?
 
Just thought I'd add that I have made sure to use degrees... that is the correct route to go, right?
 
How may degrees did you get? Check the angle and/or your math.
 

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