How Much Work Must Be Done for Earth to Escape the Sun?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work required for Earth to escape the gravitational influence of the Sun, involving concepts of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between work and energy, questioning how binding energy relates to the problem. There are discussions about the gravitational force and its integration to find work done. Some participants express uncertainty about initial and final energy states.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with various participants attempting to clarify concepts and explore different approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the initial and final energies, and the relevance of binding energy is being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential lack of information regarding initial velocity and the assumptions that may be permissible in the problem context.

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Homework Statement


How much work must be done to allow the Earth to escape the Sun?


Homework Equations


E= K + UG where K= 1/2(mv2) and UG=-(GmM)/r
W= E2- E1
Fc=mac

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea where to start this, I missed the class where they took this up and I want to be at least familiar with it for the test.
 
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hsphysics2 said:

Homework Statement


How much work must be done to allow the Earth to escape the Sun?


Homework Equations


E= K + UG where K= 1/2(mv2) and UG=-(GmM)/r
W= E2- E1
Fc=mac

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no idea where to start this, I missed the class where they took this up and I want to be at least familiar with it for the test.

What does this question have to do with Binding Energy?

One way to solve it is to remember that Work = Force * Distance. What is the equation for gravitational force as a function of distance? Try integrating that from the orbit of Earth out to infinity...
 
tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't binding energy defined as the amount of energy needed to keep a particular amount of matter together? so, to break up that matter, we need an equivalent amount of energy.
The question is to move the Earth away from the sun. So, in a way, won't binding energy be involved?
 
assassinsdoc said:
tell me if I'm wrong, but isn't binding energy defined as the amount of energy needed to keep a particular amount of matter together? so, to break up that matter, we need an equivalent amount of energy.
The question is to move the Earth away from the sun. So, in a way, won't binding energy be involved?

Interesting. I did just now find "Gravitational Binding Energy" at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_binding_energy

I'm more familiar with the term Binding Energy referring to Nuclear Binding Energy.

I'll change the thread title to avoid any more confusion... :smile:
 
hsphysics2 said:
E= K + UG where K= 1/2(mv2) and UG=-(GmM)/r
W= E2- E1
Looks good to me. So what's the initial energy? The final energy?
 
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the problem is simpler if you just think about energy. What is the initial energy, and what is the final energy when the Earth has escaped the Sun? (I'm guessing you are allowed to make certain assumptions about the Kinetic energy).

edit: Doc Al beat me to it :)
 
W=E2- E1
W=0- 1/2(MEv12)- (GMEMS)/r1

I don't know v1 so how can I solve for work?
 
The initial velocity can be found by setting the centripetal force equal to the gravitational force and solving for v^2.
 
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