How much work was done to overcome friction?

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The problem involves calculating the work done to overcome friction while pushing a box up an incline. The scenario includes a 50-kilogram box, a 1.5-meter incline, and a force of 200 Newtons applied against friction. The discussion also touches on the efficiency of the incline as a simple machine.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the total work done and how to separate the work done against friction from the work done in a frictionless scenario. Questions arise about calculating the force without friction and the implications of gravity as a conservative force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between work, force, and distance, as well as the concept of efficiency. Multiple interpretations of the forces involved are being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraint of not using calculators, which affects their ability to compute certain values, such as angles related to the incline. There is also a focus on understanding the definitions and relationships between the forces acting on the box.

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Homework Statement


NO CALCULATOR ALLOWED.

a 50-kilogram box is pushed up a 1.5m-meter incline with an effort of 200 Newtons. The top of the incline is 0.5 meter above the ground. How much work was done to overcome friction?

(A) 55J
(B) 75J
(C) 245J
(D) 300J
(E) 490J

The inclination in the question above is an example of a simple machine. On the basis of the information provided, what is the approximate efficiency of this machine? (A) 50%
(B) 100%
(C) 20%
(D) 10%
(E) 80%

Homework Equations



[tex]W = Fd[/tex]

[tex]F_{fric} = \mu F_{n}[/tex]

[tex]W = E[/tex]

[tex]e = \frac{\Delta W}{W_{tot}}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Alright so the total work has to be 200*1.5; thus, [tex]W_{TOT} = 200*1.5 = W_{fric} + W_{frictionless}[/tex]

Or

[tex]W_{nc} = W_{TOT} - W_{frictionless}[/tex]

and idk what to do from here ;\

the efficiency part:

e =
 
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Well how much work would it be if there was no friction? Or in other words, how much energy would it take to push the box up the ramp if the only force your doing work against is gravity?
 
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Force * distance. right?
 
Yes but F Is different if there is no friction. Think about gravity being a conservative force and work is independent of the path taken.
 
ok so the 200N is the force with friction. how am i suppose to find the force without friction? Isn't the force without friction greater than 200 if you think about it intuitively? If friction is not acting on the box, the only force acting on the box is the x-component of gravity; thus, [tex]F = F_{g}\sin ((((((((\arctan (\frac{0.5}{1.5})[/tex]. But, [tex]\arctan (\frac{1}{3})[/tex] is not given, and we can't use a calculator.
 
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How much work does it take to lift a 1kg box 3m high? W=mgh=(1kg)(9.8m/s^2)(3m)
 
oh! so to get the work done by friction, one would subtract 200*1.5 from (10)(3). Thanks a ton!

To get the efficiency, one would just do (mgh)/(F*d)
 

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