I How often would a ϕ meson decay to a electron-positron pair?

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The discussion centers on estimating the decay rate of the phi meson to an electron-positron pair, using known properties of the J/ψ meson as a reference. The J/ψ meson has a decay rate of 5% to this pair, with a total width of 0.092 MeV, while the phi meson has a mass of 1018 MeV and a lifetime 50 times longer than that of J/ψ. Participants express confusion about how to apply Feynman diagrams and relevant formulas, such as total width and branching fraction, to estimate the phi meson's decay rate. The professor suggests that understanding these concepts should allow for an estimation, but clarity on the calculations is lacking. Overall, the thread highlights the challenge of applying theoretical knowledge to practical decay rate estimations in particle physics.
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If a J/ψ decays to an electron-positron pair 5% of the time, how often would a ϕ
meson decay to a electron-positron pair?
I know the mass of J/ψ to be 3097 mev and the mass of phi to be 1018 mev. I know that J/ψ decays to electron and positron 5% of the time. I also know the full width of j/psi to be 0.092mev and that the phi meson lives 50 times longer than J/ψ
. My professor claims that if I am given that info and can draw the feynman diagrams for both interactions then it should be possible to make an estimate on how often the phi meson decays to electron-positron pair too. But I dont understand how this can done.I have drawn both diagrams (c-cbar or s-sbar to electron and positron with photon boson between). I also know the following formulas:

total width = \hbar / \tau where tau is the decay time of the particle. I also know that the branching fraction is given as:

BF = partial width / total widthIm not sure how one could estimate the branching fraction of phi to electron-positron pair.
 
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imgamedeving said:
My professor claims ,,, But I dont understand
And when you told him you didn't understand, what did he say?

If you are more interested in the answer, you can look it up: pdp.lbl.gov.
 
imgamedeving said:
and that the phi meson lives 50 times longer than J/ψ
You might want to check that.
 
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