How old until mother is 4 times older

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The discussion revolves around determining in how many years Junhao's mother will be four times as old as his sister, given their current ages and the age difference between them. The scope includes algebraic expressions and mathematical reasoning related to age problems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Junhao's sister is currently 5 years old and is 36 years younger than their mother, leading to the equation S = M - 36.
  • One participant suggests that in "t" years, the mother's age will be 4 times the sister's age, resulting in the equation M + t = 4(S + t).
  • Another participant simplifies the relationship and derives that M + t = 48, indicating that the mother will be 48 years old at that time, but does not specify the exact value of t without additional information.
  • A different participant calculates that if the mother is currently 41 years old, then in 7 years, she will be 48, which is four times the sister's age of 12 at that time.
  • One participant confirms the calculations leading to the conclusion that the mother must be 48 years old when the sister is 12, but does not clarify the age of the mother at present.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present different approaches to the problem, with some deriving the same conclusion about the mother's age being 48 in the future, while others focus on the algebraic relationships without reaching a consensus on specific values for M and t. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact current age of the mother and the time frame.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the ages and the relationships between them, and there are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the exact values of M and t.

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Junhao's sister is 5 years old. She is 36 years younger than their mother. In how many years' time will their mother's age be 4 times her age?

My answer: I'm not sure how to create an algebraic expression for this.
 
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Let "S" be Junhao's sister's age. Let "M" be their mother's age.

"She is 36 years younger than their mother." So S= M- 36.

"In how many years' time will their mother's age be 4 times her age?"

In "t" years, the sister's age will be S+t and the mother's age will be M+ t. Their mother's age will be 4 times her age when M+ t= 4(S+ t).

Those are the equations representing this situation. You can reduce this to a single equation by replacing S in the second equation with M- 36, from the first equation:
M+ t= 4(M- 36+ t)= 4M- 144+ 4t which can be written as 3M+ 3t= 144 or, dividing by 3, M+ t= 48.

That is a single equation in the two unknowns, M and t, so it is not possible to solve for specifiic values of M and t. There are many different values of M, S, and t that satisfy these conditions but we can say that, however many years that will be in the future, the mother will be 48 and the sister 12. Of course, at any age the sister will be 36 years younger than the mother- that doesn't change.
 
Johnx said:
Junhao's sister is 5 years old.
She is 36 years younger than their mother.
In how many years' time will their mother's age be 4 times her age?
S=sister's age, M=mother's age, Y = years

Given:
S = 5, M = 5+36 = 41

4(S + Y) = M + Y
4(5 + Y) = 41 + Y
20 +4Y = 41 + Y
3Y = 21
Y = 7

5+7=12; 12*4 = 48
41+7 = 48
 
S = sister
M = mother

so,

s = M - 36
m = 4s

s = 4s -36
s = 12

m = 4(12)

so the mother has to be 48.Thank you.
 

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