How the ductility of metal change when grains is decreased ?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between grain size and the ductility of metals, specifically in the context of heat treatment and its effects on materials like plain steel. Participants explore how changes in grain size influence mechanical properties such as ductility and strength.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

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  • One participant questions how decreasing the grain size of metal affects its ductility, seeking clarification on whether it increases or decreases and the underlying reasons.
  • Another participant suggests that larger grain sizes correlate with higher ductility, implying that smaller grains may lead to increased brittleness.
  • A different participant explains that decreasing grain size increases resistance to dislocation motion due to a greater grain boundary area and misorientation of grains, suggesting this leads to increased strength rather than ductility, referencing the Hall-Petch equation.
  • There is a request for proper references to support the claim about dislocation motion and grain size effects.
  • One participant recommends a material science textbook by Callister for further reading on dislocations.
  • Two participants inquire about the formation of rod-like structures in Mg-doped AlSb thin films, seeking explanations and references for this observation from SEM analysis.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between grain size and ductility, with no consensus reached on whether decreasing grain size leads to increased or decreased ductility. Additionally, the inquiry about Mg-doped AlSb introduces another area of uncertainty regarding grain structure.

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The discussion includes references to specific equations and material properties but lacks detailed explanations of the assumptions behind the claims made. The relationship between grain size and mechanical properties remains complex and is not fully resolved.

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Readers interested in materials science, specifically those studying the mechanical properties of metals and the effects of microstructure on material behavior.

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How the ductility of metal change when grains is decreased ?

Hello every body, I'm from Vietnam. I have a question that : if we decrease the size of the grain of metal by heat treatment, what happen to the ductility of that metal, increase or decrease, and why ? for example, the metal of plain steel.
P/S: It's the first time I post my question, if I make any mistake, please forgive to me, hi
 
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If the grain size is larger the material is less brittle so the ductility is higher
 


If the grain size decreases, there is greater resistance for the motion of dislocations due to increased grain boundary area and frequent change in orientation of slip planes due to misorientation of grains.Hence a larger stress would be required to move dislocations. This would imply that the strength of material has increased.
It is calculated using hall petch equation.
 
Dear Sir, Kindly send me the proper referance of the following statement)
If the grain size decreases, there is greater resistance for the motion of dislocations due to increased grain boundary area and frequent change in orientation of slip planes due to misorientation of grains.Hence a larger stress would be required to move dislocations. This would imply that the strength of material has increased.
It is calculated using hall petch equation.
 
You can go through the book on Material science basics by Callister.
Read dislocations section.
I am sorry, i do not remember full name of the book
 
hi i am from pakistan. i want to make thin film of Mg doped AlSb. when 25% magnasium (Mg) is doped in AlSb I saw rods instead of grain size from SEM (Scanning Electron microscope) graph. can anybody tell me this reason with referance.
thanks
 
hi i am from pakistan. i want to make thin film of Mg doped AlSb. when 25% magnasium (Mg) is doped in AlSb I saw rods instead of grain size from SEM (Scanning Electron microscope) graph. can anybody tell me this reason with referance.
thanks
 

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