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The discussion focuses on calculating a complicated factorial expression and evaluating its limit as n approaches infinity. Participants clarify that substituting infinity directly is incorrect, as it leads to indeterminate forms. Instead, they suggest expanding the expression and dividing by the highest power of n to identify negligible terms. The correct limit evaluation results in a value of 1/4. The conversation emphasizes the importance of proper mathematical techniques in limit evaluation.
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Hello.
I know what factorial means but how do I calculate this? Could someone explain to me on how to do it?
 

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aruwin said:
Hello.
I know what factorial means but how do I calculate this? Could someone explain to me on how to do it?

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| \frac{\frac{ \left[ \left( n + 1 \right) ! \right] ^2 }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) !} }{ \frac{ \left( n ! \right) ^2 }{ \left( 2n \right) ! } } \right| &= \left| \frac{\left[ \left( n + 1 \right) ! \right] ^2 }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) ! } \cdot \frac{ \left( 2n \right) !}{\left( n! \right) ^2} \right| \\ &= \left| \frac{ \left[ \left( n + 1 \right) n! \right] ^2 \left( 2n \right) ! }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) \left( 2n + 1 \right) \left( 2n \right) ! \left( n! \right) ^2 } \right| \\ &= \left| \frac{ \left( n + 1 \right) ^2 \left( n! \right) ^2 }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) \left( 2n + 1 \right) \left( n ! \right) ^2 } \right| \\ &= \left| \frac{ \left( n + 1 \right) ^2}{\left( 2n + 2 \right) \left( 2n + 1 \right) } \right| \end{align*}$

Can you evaluate the limit now?
 
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$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| \frac{\frac{ \left[ \left( n + 1 \right) ! \right] ^2 }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) !} }{ \frac{ \left( n ! \right) ^2 }{ \left( 2n \right) ! } } \right| &= \left| \frac{\left[ \left( n + 1 \right) ! \right] ^2 }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) ! } \cdot \frac{ \left( 2n \right) !}{\left( n! \right) ^2} \right| \\ &= \left| \frac{ \left[ \left( n + 1 \right) n! \right] ^2 \left( 2n \right) ! }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) \left( 2n + 1 \right) \left( 2n \right) ! \left( n! \right) ^2 } \right| \\ &= \left| \frac{ \left( n + 1 \right) ^2 \left( n! \right) ^2 }{ \left( 2n + 2 \right) \left( 2n + 1 \right) \left( n ! \right) ^2 } \right| \\ &= \left| \frac{ \left( n + 1 \right) ^2}{\left( 2n + 2 \right) \left( 2n + 1 \right) } \right| \end{align*}$

Can you evaluate the limit now?

Sorry, I am not sure how to evaluate the limit. I just know that n should be substituted with infinity.
 
aruwin said:
Sorry, I am not sure how to evaluate the limit. I just know that n should be substituted with infinity.

NO! You NEVER "substitute infinity", as infinity is NOT a number. Besides, $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\infty}{\infty} \end{align*}$ is a meaningless indeterminate expression.

My advice would now be to expand out all the brackets, and then multiply by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\frac{1}{n^2}}{\frac{1}{n^2}} \end{align*}$. Once you have done this, you should be able to see what happens to each term as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n \to \infty \end{align*}$.
 
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NO! You NEVER "substitute infinity", as infinity is NOT a number. Besides, $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\infty}{\infty} \end{align*}$ is a meaningless indeterminate expression.

My advice would now be to expand out all the brackets, and then multiply by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\frac{1}{n^2}}{\frac{1}{n^2}} \end{align*}$. Once you have done this, you should be able to see what happens to each term as $\displaystyle \begin{align*} n \to \infty \end{align*}$.

I got 1/4. One more question, why do we have to multiply by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\frac{1}{n^2}}{\frac{1}{n^2}} \end{align*}$ ?
 

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aruwin said:
I got 1/4. One more question, why do we have to multiply by $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{\frac{1}{n^2}}{\frac{1}{n^2}} \end{align*}$ ?

1/4 is correct. I think you've answered your own question - when you divide by the highest power of n, you can see what the "negligible" terms are (i.e. the ones that go to 0).
 
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1/4 is correct. I think you've answered your own question - when you divide by the highest power of n, you can see what the "negligible" terms are (i.e. the ones that go to 0).

Thank you for your explanation!
 

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