How to Calculate Drag Coefficient for a Fire Helicopter's Bucket?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the drag coefficient for a fire helicopter's bucket, which is influenced by its weight, speed, and cross-sectional area. The original poster presents a scenario involving a helicopter carrying a bucket at a constant speed while making an angle with the vertical, seeking assistance in determining the drag coefficient.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between drag force and the parameters given, questioning the need for terminal velocity and discussing the appropriate equations for drag versus friction. Some participants suggest using a general expression for drag, while others express confusion about the definitions and coefficients involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of drag equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note the potential confusion between drag and friction forces, as well as the implications of the helicopter's flight conditions on the calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of the information provided in the original post.

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A fire helicopter carries a 560-kg bucket at the end of a cable 20.6 m long as in the figure below. As the helicopter flies to a fire at a constant speed of 39.2 m/s ,the cable makes an angle of 39.6 with respect to the vertical. The bucket presents a cross-sectional area of 3.96m^2 in a plane perpendicular to the air moving past it. Determine the drag coefficient, assuming that the resistive force is proportional to the square of the bucket's speed.

I've got that C_d = 2mg / (V_T)^2A\rho, but I don't know how to find the terminal velocity of the bucket to find the coefficient of drag. Can anyone help?
 

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You don't need to use the terminal verlocity at all, but a more general expression for the force of friction. You have enough information to determine the force of friction, and you know the airspeed.
 
But the equation for the force of friction is f_f = \mu N. I don't know the coefficient of friction... unless it's 1 since it's flying through the air?
 
Remember Newton's 1st Law!

\sum F_{x} = 0

\sum F_{y} =0
 
Sorry, what I meant is that you need a more general expression for drag (rather than friction). You should be able to calculate the force that the drag exerts and work from there.
 
What do you mean a more general equation for drag? That's all my book gives me...
 
Try

F_{drag} = \frac{C_{D}}{A} \frac{\rho v^2}{2}
 

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