How to Calculate Induced Tension in a Magnetic Field?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced tension in a magnetic field for a circular conductor loop under different orientations relative to the magnetic field. The original poster presents variables including the strength of the magnetic field, time, and diameter of the loop, and seeks a symbolic solution for the induced tension in various configurations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between magnetic flux and induced tension, referencing equations related to Faraday's law. Questions arise regarding the clarity of the problem statement and the correctness of the equations presented. The original poster also questions the formulation of magnetic flux and the potential for different methods of solution.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with participants providing clarifications and suggestions for improving the problem statement. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equations and concepts involved, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach or solution.

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Participants note the need for clearer definitions of variables and the role of time in the problem. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the application of different physical laws, such as the Gaussian and Lorentzian approaches.

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Homework Statement


I have the strength of the magnetic field, B, the time, Delta t, a circle formed ring with the diameter, d. I should calculate the induced tension, when the surface is

(a) parallel to the B field
(b) 50 degrees on the B field

Need help to solve it (symbolic if possible).

Homework Equations


I thought of something like:
[tex]$U_H = A_H \frac{I B}{d}$[/tex],
but I don't have "I". And there are no angles there. Please tell me how to solve it symbolic.

The Attempt at a Solution


Please look the (2).
 
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Hello Basip, welcome (back) to PF :smile: !

Could you please re-read your posting and complete the problem statement ? Perhaps even add a little drawing ? It is now rather unclear what the exercise wants you to do. It's fine if you mention ##\Delta t##, but what it its role in this problem ?

Also all and any symbols you want to use in part 3 need clarification. ##U_H## is probably the induced emf ? and ##A_H## an area ? Don't let us guess unnecessarily !

And you can do displayed equations with $## ##$U_H = A_H \frac{I B}{d} $## ##$ to get $$ U_H = A_H \frac{I B}{d} $$ and in-line equations with ##\#\# ##U_H = A_H \frac{I B}{d}##\#\# ## to get things like ##U_H = A_H \frac{I B}{d} ##

However, your equation doesn't make much sense to me. You sure it fits in the problem context ? Could it be you need something else ?
 
Dear BvU!

Thank you for your help so far. I don't know how to edit my question, so I reply here.

Variables to play with
$$B=0.58T$$
$$ \Delta t=0.10s$$
$$d=0.105m$$

Question formulation
In a magnetic field, B, at the time, ## \Delta t ##, is the surface of a circular conductor loop,d, halved. Calculate the tension, when the surface
  1. is perpendicular to B
  2. has an angular of ##30^\circ## with B
  3. is parallel to B
How I think it could be solved
The magnetic flux
$$\Phi_B = \int_A \vec B d \vec A$$,
where ##\Phi_B## is the magnetic flux, ##B## is the magnitude of the magnetic field and ##A=\pi r^2## is the areal.

The induction tension
$$U_i = \frac{d \Phi_B}{dt} = \frac{\int_A \vec B d \vec A}{dt}$$,
where ##U_i## is the induction tension.

  1. ##U_i = \frac{\sin(90^\circ) A B}{dt}##
  2. ##U_i = \frac{\sin(30^\circ) A B}{dt}##
  3. ##U_i = \frac{\sin(180^\circ) A B}{dt}##
Is that correct? Could it be solved this way?

Questions
Question 1
Can I write it this way?
$$\Phi_B = \int_A \vec B d \vec A.$$
I think it looks wrong, because we have two integrals on the right side and a number on the left side. How could I write it so it doesn't look wrong? I think there are more than one way to write it correct, so please write more than one solution. I think you could use the cross product sign?

Question 2
But now I have solved it the Gaußian way(?). Could I solve it Lorentzian too? I thought of using ##F=q\,\vec v \times \vec B##. The firs formula I suggested is, I think, wrong (it was about the Hall Effect).

Yours Faitfully,
and thank you very much in advance!
 
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Dear Basip,
a quick answer I may have to correct when I'm more awake:
My compliments for your now much clearer post. You have the given variables, the right equation and the right plan to solve. So go ahead !

As to your questions: 1. yes, it is a bit strange, but correct. Check Faraday's law. That ##\vec {dA}## is a surface area .
2. I wouldn't consider this the gaussian way. That has to do with divergence. But in both cases a surface integral is needed.
There is an approach based on the Lorentz force, I think, but I can't investigate now. Check further down in the Faraday link. But it involves more math.
 
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Everything has fallen into place ? And all done ? Or are there further questions ?
 
BvU said:
Everything has fallen into place ? And all done ? Or are there further questions ?
Thank you for your help :-)
 

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