How to calculate lift for delta wing

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of lift for delta wings, specifically in the context of a subsonic wind tunnel project. Participants explore the validity of a specific lift coefficient formula and consider different approaches to measuring and calculating lift for low aspect ratio delta wings.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the formula Cl=2*L/(rho*v^2*A) for calculating lift coefficient for delta wings and seeks alternative theories.
  • Another participant suggests that the lift formula should not differ for delta wings compared to other wing types, emphasizing the need for proper values.
  • A participant affirms the formula's validity and suggests that wind tunnel testing is an effective method for determining lift coefficients.
  • Some participants note that the area A in the formula may need clarification, as delta wings do not conform to standard cross-sectional areas.
  • There is a suggestion that vortex lift may play a role at high angles of attack for delta wings, but uncertainty remains about how this differs from other wing types.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of combining theoretical calculations with pressure distribution measurements for accurate lift characterization.
  • Another participant argues that the definition of area can be flexible depending on the context of the analysis and comparisons being made.
  • A new participant introduces a related topic about building a radio-controlled delta wing model and seeks advice on performance modifications and evaluation based on scale.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the lift formula for delta wings, with no clear consensus on the best approach or the validity of the formula. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific challenges of calculating lift for delta wings.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the definition of area in the lift formula and the need for careful consideration of pressure distribution measurements in experimental setups. There is also an acknowledgment of the complexities involved in adapting theoretical models to practical applications.

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This discussion may be useful for aerospace engineering students, hobbyists involved in model aircraft design, and professionals interested in aerodynamic analysis of delta wings.

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is the formula below valid to calculate the lift coefficient for a delta wing?

Cl=2*L/(rho*v^2*A)

L=lift (N)
rho= air density
v= air velocity
A=wing area

im doing a subsonic wind tunnel project where I am going to measure the lift for a low aspect ratio delta wing. should i use another theory to calculate the lift?
 
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I've never calculated lift on a delta wing, but why would the lift formula be any different? Approach it in a way you would any wing, with the proper values of course.
 
Yes, that looks valid to me. Going backwards from lift to lift coefficient via wind tunnel testing is the easiest and most accurate approach for lift analysis.
 
russ_watters said:
Going backwards from lift to lift coefficient via wind tunnel testing is the easiest and most accurate approach for lift analysis.
yups...that's the exact method and correct way to measure lift.
can be use for any wing shape or any object.

just reverse the formula...u get the Lift from balance, u know the air density, air speed and also the wing area.

tadaaa...u'll get the Lift Coefficient, Cl in no time. :smile:
 
perrabananskruv said:
is the formula below valid to calculate the lift coefficient for a delta wing?

Cl=2*L/(rho*v^2*A)

L=lift (N)
rho= air density
v= air velocity
A=wing area

im doing a subsonic wind tunnel project where I am going to measure the lift for a low aspect ratio delta wing. should i use another theory to calculate the lift?

Lets be clear, that's not a theory, that's a definition of the coefficient of lift, where the area A is probably going to be your planform area of the delta.
 
LovePhysics said:
I've never calculated lift on a delta wing, but why would the lift formula be any different? Approach it in a way you would any wing, with the proper values of course.

Maybe Vortex lift at high Angle of Attack. It only allows the delta to produce lift at higher angles of attack, but I'm not sure how it's going to be different from any wing producing lift prior to stall.
 
perrabananskruv said:
im doing a subsonic wind tunnel project where I am going to measure the lift for a low aspect ratio delta wing. should i use another theory to calculate the lift?
Since you are doing actual test work, you would need to couple the theoretical calculations with pressure distribution measurements around the entire planform area of the wing. That combined with the actual load measurements from the tunnel are the best way to characterize the lift of an entire wing.
 
surely there is a slight problem with the formula because 'A' (for a normal aerofoil anyway) is the cross sectional (average cross sectional in tapering) area of the wing. and deltas don't really have a standardable cross seectionabe area due to their shape
 
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Area can be anything. I could take it as that of pilot's boot sole -- if it would do me any good.

The full model geometry, test conditions, and measured forces are the hard data, and the referent area for coefficients is chosen according to the need. E.g. if comparing coefficients with other experiments, take the definition of area they used; if using coefficients in design calculations, take the definition of area agreed upon by the design team.

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I wonder if any of the posters on this thread can help?
I have just started radio controlled modelling. In the winter I am proposing to scratch build a Mirage 2000 delta wing plane using a Electric ducted fan. I am busy trying to get the manufactures details so I can start evaluation based on scale. The finished model will have a wingspan between 24 -30". Final size will be dependent on EDF sizes and powers available together with estimated model size, weight, lift, drag, etc.
Of couse my model will not fly supersonic and I assume I will have to modify the manufactures aerofoil shape to get better model performance.
I would appreciate any ideas on how I could proceed.
regards Trevor
 

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