Optimizing Wing Geometry for Maximum Lift-to-Drag Ratio

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The discussion revolves around optimizing wing geometry to achieve the maximum lift-to-drag (L/D) ratio for a specific wing configuration with an aspect ratio of 8, a taper ratio of 0.35, and a cruise lift coefficient of 0.05 at an angle of attack of 0.6 degrees. Participants explore the suitability of different NACA aerofoils and the implications of wing geometry on performance.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to identify a NACA aerofoil that optimizes L/D ratio at a low cruise lift coefficient and angle of attack.
  • Some participants suggest that a thin symmetrical aerofoil, such as NACA 0006 or NACA M1, might be suitable for low drag and low lift conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the low-speed characteristics of thin aerofoils, suggesting that changing the wing geometry may be necessary.
  • Another participant proposes making the aerofoil thicker to improve performance, accepting the trade-off of increased drag.
  • One participant notes that the L/D ratios obtained from XFLR5 may be idealized and emphasizes the practical limitations of achieving high L/D ratios with a lower aspect ratio wing.
  • There is a suggestion to consider using a symmetric airfoil with a trim angle and twist to achieve the desired lift characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best approach to achieve the desired L/D ratio, with no consensus on the optimal aerofoil or geometry adjustments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the feasibility of achieving the target performance metrics with the given constraints.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to the idealized nature of simulation results and the impact of aspect ratio on stall angle and Reynolds number, which may affect the practical application of their suggestions.

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Hi,

I am trying to find a NACA-aerofoil for a given wing geometry (AR = 8, Taper: 0.35, Cruise CL = 0.05 at 0.6 degrees angle). Do any of you know if it is possible to find an aerofoil that will give this wing the best L/D-ratio at this cruise AoA (0.6 deg)?

I have done some analysis on several aerofoils on my wing using the XFLR5-software, but the best L/D-drag is usually achieved at an angle of attack of 3-4 degrees.

Or maybe the only solution would be to change the wing geometry? The cruise lift coefficient of 0.05 is very small, but due to some geometrical problems this can maximum be set to 0.1, giving an AR of 5. But even at this CL, I struggle to find the aerofoil giving the best L/D-ratio, or at least very close to it.

Hope someone can help me out with this.
 
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Not an expert but low drag and low lift point to a thin symmetrical section. Perhaps look at NACA 0006 or NACA M1?
 
CWatters said:
Not an expert but low drag and low lift point to a thin symmetrical section. Perhaps look at NACA 0006 or NACA M1?

Thank you for your answer. That may be an option, the only problem is that this is a low speed wing, and I am afraid that the thin aerofoil will cause some poor low speed characteristics. So this might be an impossible task if I don't change the geometry.
 
Make it thicker and live with the extra drag?
 
CWatters said:
Make it thicker and live with the extra drag?

Yeah, I guess that is the only solution. Then I won't be able to reach the best L/D-ratio at cruising, by using NACA 64 012 for example
 
First of all, XFLR5 is based off of the XFOIL code by Drela. The L/D numbers you are getting are very much idealized. You might see an L/D over 200, when in actuality the best of the best wings will get you an L/D of 60. These are wings on gliders with winglets and an aspect ratio of 20+. When you have a wing with a very high aspect ratio, holding wing area constant you risk decreasing the stall angle because you lower the Reynolds number of the wing. With an aspect ratio of 5, you will probably get an L/D of less than 10. 8 is probably more realistic.

Also, why do you want an angle of attack of .6? That is probably well within your construction and flight precision limits. And if you want an airfoil with lift coefficient so low, why not just use a symmetric airfoil and to the wing apply a trim angle and twist. XFLR5 let's you play with the twist, so pick something basic like a NACA0012 with trim of 1 degree and see how you do.
 

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