How to calculate the comet's speed?

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The problem involves calculating the speed of Comet Halley as it crosses Neptune's orbit, considering its elliptical orbit around the sun and the distances involved at two different points in time.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using Kepler's laws and conservation of energy equations to find the comet's speed. Questions arise regarding the necessity of the comet's mass and the relevant mass to use in calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the use of conservation of energy and clarified which mass should be considered in the calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of using different masses in the context of gravitational interactions.

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There is a mention of a 20-year time frame and specific distances from the sun for both the comet and Neptune, which may influence the calculations. The discussion also reflects on the general applicability of the mass used in similar orbital problems.

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Homework Statement



Comet moves around the sun in a very ellipical orbit around the sun. As it approach, in 1986, Comet Halley was 8.79x10^7km from the sun and moving with a speed of 54.6km/s. What will be the comet's speed be when it crosses Neptune's orbit in 2006?

length of comet from the sun = 8.79x10^7km = 8.79x10^10 m
v of comet = 54.6km/s = 54.6x10^3m/s
T = 20 years
length of neptune from the sun = 4.50x10^12m


Homework Equations



i use the equation T^2 = (4*pie*r^3)/GM and K2 + U2 = K1 + U1

The Attempt at a Solution


i first use the Kelper's rule to find M of the comet, but i don't really know if that's the right step to start with.

Thank you.
 
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Make the substitutions in your conservation of energy equation and see if you really need to know the mass of the comet.
 
one question, when we calculate with the K2 + U2 = K1 + U1, the M we are using, is that the mass of the sun or neptune?
 
jkh4 said:
one question, when we calculate with the K2 + U2 = K1 + U1, the M we are using, is that the mass of the sun or neptune?

The mass of Neptune does not matter. You are just using the radius of the Neptune orbit as a distance from the sun. The potential energy terms depend on the mass of the sun and the mass of the comet.
 
i got the answer, thank you so much!

btw, so does that mean if for similar questions, the M is always M of sun?
 
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jkh4 said:
i got the answer, thank you so much!

btw, so does that mean if for similar questions, the M is always M of sun?

If the orbit is an orbit around the sun, then the mass of the sun is involved. There are many problems involving orbits around other force centers, so M will not always be the sun's mass.
 

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