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My friend gave me a one of his old harddrives so I could use it as a secondary hdd on my home desktop. However, to protect his privacy as well as clear all the space being used I want to delete everything that was on it. I tried manually deleting everything however there is still some stuff left on it (ie. operating system etc.) and I heard that it's still not very reliable or secure.

Therefore I am wondering if anyone knows a way for me to completely delete everything on the harddrive including the operating system?
 
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Under Mac OS X, launch the Disk Utility application, select the disk, then select the Erase tab, then click the Security Options button. You can choose between "Don't Erase Data", "Zero Out Data", "7-Pass Erase", and "35-Pass Erase".

When I got rid of my old Mac at the office, before I turned it in I re-installed the OS and did a 7-pass erase on the unused disk space.
 
Thank you jtbell, unfortunately I run windows xp on the computer, I apologize for not previously mentioning that information.
 
To add to mgb's concise post.

Does 'erasing' erase the data? Why should it? The idea is to loose pointers in the FAT (file allocation table) to free space for allocation of new files. So it really isn't an 'erase' but a 'forget'. As far as I know the data it still there. It's location is just forgotten by loosing the pointers. It takes little time to loose a pointer. It takes a long time to write a region of 11111111's.

Edit: If I'm wrong, and the data is overwritten with some constant value like zeroes, the following still holds.

The only option is multiple radom overwrites. If it's not truly random, the original data can still be obtained from analog analysis. Overwritting data does not completely destroy it. It remains as a ghost. Subtracting the overwriting signal will reveil previously written data.

To nit-pic this a little further, it should even be possible to subtract out a single random overwrite. After all, it's either a one or a zero. By measuring field strength it should be feasible to deduce whether the randomizing bit was a one or a zero. So one should be able to reconstruct most data subjected to one or two random overwrites.

Ask the NSA. They're proficient at extracting this sort of information.
 
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The multiple overwrite (DoD requires 7 writes of alternating 0 and random) was mainly aimed at the days of MFM drives where it was relatively easy to read the underlying data if you just wrote 0. The multiple writes were because the heads weren't accurately aligned and it was possible that new data tracks weren't on top of previous tracks.

With modern GMR drives a single overwrite with zero is all that's necessary to erase the data so that it cannot be recovered. But there may be extra data stored in SMART and bad sectors which isn't overwritten - so if you have top secret data the only way to securely erase a hardrive is thermite.
 
mgb_phys said:
The multiple overwrite (DoD requires 7 writes of alternating 0 and random) was mainly aimed at the days of MFM drives where it was relatively easy to read the underlying data if you just wrote 0. The multiple writes were because the heads weren't accurately aligned and it was possible that new data tracks weren't on top of previous tracks.

With modern GMR drives a single overwrite with zero is all that's necessary to erase the data so that it cannot be recovered. But there may be extra data stored in SMART and bad sectors which isn't overwritten - so if you have top secret data the only way to securely erase a hardrive is thermite.

So I looked up GMR. GMR is read/write head technology allowing for denser data. It still lays down track of oriented magnetic fields just as before. I don't see the difference.

I don't know if you mean writting zeros. I haven't kept up, but I'm sure it's still true that encoding methods prevent writing a single flux direction over more than bit cells, or so.
 
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I meant GMR as a synonym for modern high density drives.

General opinion is that a single overwrite for modern drives is sufficent to make the data unrecoverable
See. "Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy" - Dr. Craig S Wright
http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/

A bigger problem is that however many times you tell the OS to overwrite the data it will ignore sectors that have been marked as bad which might contain recoverable data. Even the pattern of accesses recorded in the SMART might be of use to an enemy.
For classified data the sledgehammer/thermite/acid technique is the only way way to be sure.

The people selling software packages with "mil-spec overwriting of data" are like the ones selling "mil-spec encryption", they find some standard - however obsolete or inappropriate and overwrite however many times it says, and assume that's all you need to do.
 
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mgb_phys said:
I meant GMR as a synonym for modern high density drives.

General opinion is that a single overwrite for modern drives is sufficent to make the data unrecoverable
See. "Overwriting Hard Drive Data: The Great Wiping Controversy" - Dr. Craig S Wright
http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/

A bigger problem is that however many times you tell the OS to overwrite the data it will ignore sectors that have been marked as bad which might contain recoverable data. Even the pattern of accesses recorded in the SMART might be of use to an enemy.
For classified data the sledgehammer/thermite/acid technique is the only way way to be sure.

The people selling software packages with "mil-spec overwriting of data" are like the ones selling "mil-spec encryption", they find some standard - however obsolete or inappropriate and overwrite however many times it says, and assume that's all you need to do.

Thanks for the factoids. You're certainly up on the details. I've been mildly curious for a number of years since Norton included something which would write repeated ascii "hepta" all over your drive. Too bad the Springer paper is copywrite.
 
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You should do low-level format, and the deleted files will never be recoverable... :-)

If you want to install windows xp again, just plug the CD in, boot, and when the partitions screen comes, delete all of the partitions (if you have several ones), create new partition, and format it with NTFS or FAT32 file system. At this point your hard disk is completely erased. It is completely demagnetized, new sectors and tracks are completely written on the layer.

Regards.
 
Дьявол said:
You should do low-level format, and the deleted files will never be recoverable... :-)
You cannot do a low level format on most modern drives.
A low level format (back in the days of FM and MFM) wrote actual track markers onto the disk that were used as a guide by the head positioning - the same thing is still done on floppies but not on modern RLL drives. The head servo is accurate enough without them and the firmware can use the actual data tracks as references if needed.

An operating system level format will either just erase the file table (windows quick format) or also check the drives for bad blocks (windows full format). A Unix mkfs is similair.
NTFS also writes spare copies of the file table at the middle and end of the drive - just in case.
Even if the file tables are erased it is relatively easy to extract data from the disk - especially if you know the content of the file you are looking for, you just read each block in turn and check for the data. That's why to securely erase a drive you write zeros over every block.
However - if you are '3 letter agency' you can then take the drive apart and put each platter under an electron microscope and see the analogue pattern of magnetic data. If a point on the drive originally held a one and you wrote a zero then the magnetic field might only have been reduced to 0.1 - low enough for the drive to read it as zero, but enough to give the microscope an idea of the original content. This is where the recomendation to write over it with random numbers or some special pattern a certain number of times came from.
How much this matters for a modern high density drive (ie how close to 0 is the remaining field) is the point that is being debated.

Like anything else in security - it depends on how valuable the data is, and how much time/money/effort the other guy is prepared to go to in order to get it.

If you just don't want your friend to get your 'artistic' picture collection then a format and installing windows over the top is enough, if you had people's credit card details or medical records then use sdelete (write over it with zero) and if you had nuclear launch codes - smash the disk and dissolve it with acid!
 
You're right. There two things to do. Either demagnetize it (put all 0's), or open it, and smash it. :smile: No other possible way. Anyway, my method will work if he want to erase the HDD completely (if he thought about erasing all possible files on the disk).
 
Thank you so much for your answers. However, this leads me to another question...

If everything on the HDD including the OS is erased, and this HDD is used as a slave, could files still be written and viewed on the slave through XP as long as I have XP installed on the master HDD? Simply put, does the OS have to be on the secondary HDD as well if you want the files on it to be read and interact with the OS on your primary HDD? This is important since the OS takes up a fair amount of space on the HDD and its only 20Gb.
 
No you only need the operating system in one place.
Each drive does need to be partitioned and formated. Your drive will already have a single partition from before (so no need to do anything for that), then formating it just resets it to be marked blank and so new files can be written.

The computer's hardware (in this case the disk controller) tells the operating system how many drives are fitted and the operating system reads the directory table from the beginning of each to find which files are on it.
 
only_huce said:
My friend gave me a one of his old harddrives so I could use it as a secondary hdd on my home desktop. However, to protect his privacy as well as clear all the space being used I want to delete everything that was on it. I tried manually deleting everything however there is still some stuff left on it (ie. operating system etc.) and I heard that it's still not very reliable or secure.

Therefore I am wondering if anyone knows a way for me to completely delete everything on the harddrive including the operating system?

BCWipe will actually shred the files on your hard drive making them non-recoverable in any manner. It will run up to 7 passes on the selected hard drive to ensure nothing is salvagable. I've only run it on the "free space" of my hard drives. After it successfully completes the 1st pass, my file scavenger application could no longer recover any files, but if you want to be cautious, allow it to run all 7 passes.

Here’s a link to the download…

http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Utilities/File_Cleanup_Utilities/BCWipe_Download.html
 
only_huce said:
My friend gave me a one of his old harddrives so I could use it as a secondary hdd on my home desktop. However, to protect his privacy as well as clear all the space being used I want to delete everything that was on it. I tried manually deleting everything however there is still some stuff left on it (ie. operating system etc.) and I heard that it's still not very reliable or secure.

Therefore I am wondering if anyone knows a way for me to completely delete everything on the harddrive including the operating system?


Boot a Linux Recover Floppy (or CD) like the "tomsrtbt",
and execute "dd if=/dev/zero bs=16025b of=/dev/your_drive" .
It's enough for your needs, it is fast, and free of viruses.
 
I really like http://www.dban.org/". You download it, burn to a CD, then boot that CD. Type "autonuke" and it'll completely wipe and overwrite every drive it can find. I believe it uses 3 passes of psuedorandom data by default, which as said is overkill, but it is simple and easy. Be warned, it'll wipe every drive you have connected by default, so make sure you physically disconnect any drives you don't want wiped. Or you can not use autonuke, and actually pick the drive you want to wipe.
 
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Kittel Knight said:
Boot a Linux Recover Floppy (or CD) like the "tomsrtbt",
and execute "dd if=/dev/zero bs=16025b of=/dev/your_drive" .
It's enough for your needs, it is fast, and free of viruses.
Old thread but if anybody is browsing: use /dev/random for the source instead of /dev/zero. Even better, the linux program wipe will do this for you, make multiple overwrites, etc. wipe is available on many of the canned boot CD Linuxes, such as knoppix.
 
If you just want to blow away a partition and create a new partition to reuse the drive, fine.

But, if you want to assure that the data that was previously on the drive can never be recovered by, say, police, forget about it. Boil the drive, then tear it up with a hammer. My forensic-expert friend has told me that she has never seen any utility that claims to completely overwrite a hard drive successfully do so in a way that certain low-level utilities used by NSA etc. cannot view what used to be there. So, don't count on that kind of thing really working.
 
harborsparrow said:
If you just want to blow away a partition and create a new partition to reuse the drive, fine.

But, if you want to assure that the data that was previously on the drive can never be recovered by, say, police, forget about it. Boil the drive, then tear it up with a hammer. My forensic-expert friend has told me that she has never seen any utility that claims to completely overwrite a hard drive successfully do so in a way that certain low-level utilities used by NSA etc. cannot view what used to be there. So, don't count on that kind of thing really working.
The sophisticated hardware based techniques to pull ghost images off hard drives and available to agencies like the NSA are generally not available to local police, and they are certainly not available to the average smuck buying a used computer/hard drive. For most cases a multiple random overwrites will sufficiently make the old data unavailable.
 
actually my understanding is, that the NSA uses the same open source tools that hackers use. and they ARE available to anyone.
 
harborsparrow said:
actually my understanding is, that the NSA uses the same open source tools that hackers use. and they ARE available to anyone.

Software tools can extract data from formatted harddrives because most formating simply erases the directory of where the files are stored.

Overwritten data can (in theory) be recovered by agencies with an electron microscope to look at the magnetic field levels on the disk surface (see my earlier post). This is very expensive (on the order of $10Ks) and for modern high density drives using modern data storage schemes is much less successful.

There is a risk of data remaining on a drive because it was in a sector marked bad so a subsequent wipe of the drive misses - which is why the standard procedure for high level data is simply to destroy the drive.
 
I'll try and think when I get home what it was called, but I have a disc. "Erd Commander" (Fantastic Disc for recovery by the way) and on it is a program which we loaded into it (can't remember what it's called) and it is the same which the FBI/CIA etc would use to completely wipe a hard drive of any trace of anything. Tried & tested. Were all tech heads.
 
Please factor in the level of motivation that someone would need to bother doing any of this. It's a nice talking point but in reality, unless you're friend is a member of a terrorist group or indulging in massive tax evasion - a simple format and maybe a pass with something that overwrites the data if you don't trust yourself not to take a peek at his pron collection... A lot of identity theft criminals are very, very intelligent but access to a STM is beyond practical reach - especially when there are a thousand easier suckers just waiting. The government finds it much easier to waterboard the information out of you directly.

I'm not vouching for this guy but his article makes for interesting reading:
http://www.heliosdf.com/blog/?p=47
 
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daveg360 said:
... a simple format and maybe a pass with something that overwrites the data
A simple format and an overwrite are two very different things. A simple operating system based format will leave most of the bits alone, and then the software tools available to even the inept identity theft people, never mind the smart ones, will retrieve that information. The data has to be overwritten.
 
You're missing the point - I know exactly what a format does. The point being that nobody is going to waste their time bothering. The biggest risk comes from the OP who has chosen to ask for advice on how to wipe it - so hardly a risk there.
Anyway can't stop to talk - got to go make a tinfoil hat. They can read your thoughts too you know!
 
daveg360 said:
You're missing the point - I know exactly what a format does. The point being that nobody is going to waste their time bothering. The biggest risk comes from the OP who has chosen to ask for advice on how to wipe it - so hardly a risk there.
Anyway can't stop to talk - got to go make a tinfoil hat. They can read your thoughts too you know!
We're talking past one another. I agree no one is going to bother, or be able to afford exotic electron microscope techniques. You are mistaken if you believe it is at all difficult for some idiot, with the motivation to make a buck, to run a bit collector program on a formatted drive.
 

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