How to completely delete the deleted files and programs?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for completely deleting files and programs from a computer, particularly in the context of returning a defective device. Participants explore various techniques for secure deletion, including software tools and physical destruction of hard drives.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that simply uninstalling programs and deleting files does not ensure complete deletion, suggesting further actions are necessary.
  • Another participant explains that when Windows deletes a file, it only marks the space as free, and recommends using a specific tool to overwrite the space multiple times for sensitive files.
  • Some participants propose reformatting the disk as a method to ensure data is not recoverable, but caution that a quick format does not fully erase data.
  • There are mentions of using physical destruction methods, such as drilling holes in hard drives, to prevent data recovery, though some warn against this if the computer is being returned.
  • Several participants discuss the use of software tools like "sdelete" and "Eraser" for secure file deletion, with instructions on how to use them effectively.
  • One participant raises a question about the feasibility of recovering files after emptying the recycle bin, leading to suggestions for cleaning free space.
  • Another participant mentions the use of "Recuva" to identify recoverable files from free space, allowing for targeted overwriting.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of physical destruction on warranty returns, with calls for clarification on the original issue with the computer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that simply deleting files does not guarantee they are unrecoverable, but there are multiple competing views on the best methods for secure deletion, including software tools and physical destruction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for the original poster's situation.

Contextual Notes

Some methods discussed, such as physical destruction, may void warranties. The effectiveness of software tools can depend on specific conditions and user actions, such as whether files have been emptied from the recycle bin.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals looking to securely delete files from their computers, especially in contexts involving data privacy or returning devices.

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I am returning a defective computer, I uninstalled all my installed programs and deleted all the files I put into the computer. I empty the recycle bin. I went into the program files folder and deleted my installed files. Is everything completely deleted?( I don't think so.). What else can I do to delete the stuffs?

Thanks
 
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no your files are not deleted

In order to save time what happens when windows "Deletes" a file, it simply removes that files entry from the disk meta data. Essentially marks the space where those files were as being "free"

for sensitive files you want to use: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897443.aspx

This tool in addition to marking the space as being free it also writes over the space multiple times to make it much less likely that stuff can be recovered.
 
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Also you could reformat the disk if you don't mind having to reinstall the OS.
That would also cure the other 'defects' if they are arising due to a messed up registry or some other software based cause.
 
rootone said:
Also you could reformat the disk if you don't mind having to reinstall the OS.
That would also cure the other 'defects' if they are arising due to a messed up registry or some other software based cause.

You still need to be careful this route, when you reformat a disk if you pick the quick option it does the same thing. Just clears out the meta data, but the information in the files is still there and can be recovered by someone who is invested enough in doing so.
You can do a bit level (I think that's what its called) format which actually writes over every bit on the drive (sets them all to 0 or 1).

My family asked me to recycle a couple old computers and were shocked when I pulled out the hard drives and broke the platters. You never know where the recycled material goes and a broken platter is pretty much impossible to recover data from =D I just wanted an excuse to hit stuff with a hammer though lol
 
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True, if you go that route, don't use the 'quick format' option, do the standard 'full format' or whatever it's called these days.
 
cpscdave said:
You still need to be careful this route, when you reformat a disk if you pick the quick option it does the same thing. Just clears out the meta data, but the information in the files is still there and can be recovered by someone who is invested enough in doing so.
You can do a bit level (I think that's what its called) format which actually writes over every bit on the drive (sets them all to 0 or 1).

My family asked me to recycle a couple old computers and were shocked when I pulled out the hard drives and broke the platters. You never know where the recycled material goes and a broken platter is pretty much impossible to recover data from =D I just wanted an excuse to hit stuff with a hammer though lol
I used the "quick delete" process, using an electric drill to drill holes all the way through all platters on the hard drive.
 
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cpscdave said:
no your files are not deleted

In order to save time what happens when windows "Deletes" a file, it simply removes that files entry from the disk meta data. Essentially marks the space where those files were as being "free"

for sensitive files you want to use: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897443.aspx

This tool in addition to marking the space as being free it also writes over the space multiple times to make it much less likely that stuff can be recovered.

Thanks

I downloaded it, I ran it. Just a quick flash of DOS and no more action. Is that completed? I did it twice.

thanks
 
Mark44 said:
I used the "quick delete" process, using an electric drill to drill holes all the way through all platters on the hard drive.

Once you breach the casing, putting it in a bucket of soapy water does the trick too.
 
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yungman said:
Thanks

I downloaded it, I ran it. Just a quick flash of DOS and no more action. Is that completed? I did it twice.

thanks
What you'll need to do is the following:
1) put the sdelete.exe in c:\windows\system32

2) Locate the directory of the file you want to delete. For example c:\users\dave\documents\bankPasswords.txt
3) Open a command prompt on Win 7 click the start button and type cmd in the search bar and open cmd.exe
on xp start->run cmd.exe
win 8 if you have a start menu installed same as win 7. If you don't. I actually don't know :D

4) in the command prompt goto the directory that has the file you want to delete by typing:
cd c:\users\dave\documents (or whatever the directory was from 2)

5) type sdelete -p 5 bankPasswords.txt (or whatever filename)

this will delete the file and then write random stuff over the disk space 5 times

Repeat for all the files you wish to remove
 
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Secure deletion utility Eraser is free, comes with a beautiful GUI, can do just about anything when it comes to secure file wiping
 
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cpscdave said:
What you'll need to do is the following:
1) put the sdelete.exe in c:\windows\system32

2) Locate the directory of the file you want to delete. For example c:\users\dave\documents\bankPasswords.txt
3) Open a command prompt on Win 7 click the start button and type cmd in the search bar and open cmd.exe
on xp start->run cmd.exe
win 8 if you have a start menu installed same as win 7. If you don't. I actually don't know :D

4) in the command prompt goto the directory that has the file you want to delete by typing:
cd c:\users\dave\documents (or whatever the directory was from 2)

5) type sdelete -p 5 bankPasswords.txt (or whatever filename)

this will delete the file and then write random stuff over the disk space 5 times

Repeat for all the files you wish to remove
Thanks

So if I already put them in the recycle bin, then I just point to the recycle bin? Also, I already empty the recycle bin. Is it too late?
 
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yungman said:
... I already empty the recycle bin. Is it too late?
If you've emptied the recycle-bin, then the data is in "free space".
"sdelete" has an option to "Clean free space" ... https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897443.aspx
which overwrites the data in free space, thus obliterating it. It could take tens of minutes to clean free-space : the process [repeatedly] writing what could be tens of gigabytes of memory on the hard-drive.
 
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If you are using Windows there's a free program called Recuva , which will show you what 'deleted' files can be recovered from the recycle-bin portion of "free space".
You can then select to overwrite particular 'deleted' files found in recycle-bin using Recuva, which is a lot quicker than cleaning all "free space".
 
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yungman said:
I am returning a defective computer,

Reading this sounds like a problem purchase from a shop is getting returned for warranty swap etc ... please clarify

if so, then many of the suggestions that were given for doing physical damage is a real bad idea ... its going to negate warranty etc real quick

in which case cspcdave's and Bob-A are great adviceDave
 
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Thank you, Dave, for raising that. To the OP, are you returning a defective computer in exchange for a new one? What exactly is wrong with the current computer? If it is isn't the HDD, then can't that be swapped into the new one?
 
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This is my method for preventing data retrieval.

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I do not recommend this technique if you are planning on returning the computer.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
I do not recommend this technique if you are planning on returning the computer.

"I swear that nail was there when I bought it"
 
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