How to Convert J/K and kgJs/m into m/s?

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of units J/K and kgJs/m into m/s or kg, focusing on the relationships between these units in the context of a specific equation from a scientific paper. Participants explore the implications of these conversions in the context of heat capacity, entropy, and measurements related to Mößbauer spectroscopy.

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  • Some participants assert that J/K and m/s are incommensurable units and cannot be converted directly.
  • One participant presents an equation from a scientific paper and describes how to derive a slope from a plot of IS values against temperature, expressing confusion about unit conversions.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the reference provided for the equation, suggesting that the citation may be incorrect.
  • A later reply clarifies the correct reference for the equation and discusses balancing units in the context of the derived formula.
  • Some participants mention the Doppler effect in relation to energy variations in Mößbauer spectroscopy and suggest checking conversions between velocity and energy.
  • One participant claims to have solved the unit conversion problem, detailing the steps taken to arrive at a mass value in atomic mass units (amu) while ensuring unit consistency.

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Participants generally disagree on the possibility of converting J/K and kgJs/m into m/s or kg, with some asserting that such conversions are not valid while others explore specific contexts where conversions may be applicable.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions made in the original equation and the validity of the references cited. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the conversion process, and the discussion reflects a reliance on specific definitions and contexts.

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Dear All,

J/K into m/s ?
Or
kgJs/m into kg?

thanks for your help!
Rajini.
 
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There is no conversion because these are completely different units.

J is kg m^2/s^2, so things do not match.

J/K is the typical unit for heat capacity or entropy, while m/s gives a velocity.

Is there something wrong with the calculations or are non-SI units used? In natural units both the Boltzmann constant and c are equal to a dimensionless 1, while they have units of J/K and m/s in SI-units, respectively.
 
These two units are incommensurable. They cannot be converted.
 
seems one can do

Hello,
Sorry I did not give more information!
Please see this equation (taken from J. Solid state Commun, Vol. 33, p.361, 1980):
dIS/dT=-3EγkB/(2Mc2).
Here dIS/dT is in mm/(sK). This value can be obtained from plot.
Eγ=14412.497 eV.
M=56.9353987/(1000×6.02214179×1023) kg.
kB=8.6173324 eV/k=1.3806488×10-23 J/K.
c=299792458 m/s.
I measure IS vaules (in mm/s) for various temperatures (in K) and using the above formula I can plot IS values on y-axis and T on x-axis. Now find slope, i.e. dIS/dT (unit will be mm/(sK)).
Now can determine the M vaues in kg or amu.
But on considering the unit I am getting confused!
After rearranging the formula to
M=-3EγkB/(2c2(dIS/dT)).
After substituing the units I get
eV eV s2 s K/(K m2 mm)=eV2s3/(m2mm)=eV2s3 1000/m3.
Now I get M=2.0728216×10-14eV2s3/m3.
How to balance the units, how to convert the units in right hand side to get unit in kg??
Please help.

Thanks and regards, Rajini.
NOTE:
Useful conversion: 1 mm/s=48.075×10-9 eV.
 
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Rajini said:
Please see this equation (taken from J. Solid state Commun, Vol. 33, p.361, 1980):

This reference does not exist. There is no J. Solid state Commun., so I suppose you mean Solid State communications which had a volume 33 in 1980, but there is no article starting on p. 361. The article ending on p. 361, "PHASE TRANSITION IN THE TRANSVERSE FIELD DEPENDENT ON THE DEFORMATION" does not contain your equation. Could you please provide the name of the article, so we can find it.

Rajini said:
NOTE:
Useful conversion: 1 mm/s=48.075×10-9 eV.

This also does not work as the units do not add up, so I assume that there is something set to 1 which makes it work. IF your above conversion works, also your equation works out.
 
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Sorry I wrongly informed!
The correct one..see eq. 2 and table II..where the author computed M
Journal of Solid State Chemistry
Volume 33, Issue 3, 15 July 1980, Pages 361–369.
I already verified eq. 1 and 3..and they are correct in balancing the units..
PS:Finally I got 8.9686×10-6/(dIS/dT)s/m.
After this I don't how to proceed!
 
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Oh, this is Mößbauer stuff.

If I remember correctly (I had to do some standard experiment while I was a student, so my memory might fail me here - please double check what I say here) they perform energy variations by applying Doppler shifts:
E_\gamma (v)=E_0 (1+\frac{v}{c})
and it is quite common for some groups to only give the velocity when they actually mean the energy. So you might want to check, whether the values work out when you convert the velocities you get to energies that way.
 
Cthugha said:
Oh, this is Mößbauer stuff.
Yes, one and only noble prize winner till now I saw in Munchen in 2009.E_\gamma (v)=E_0 (1+\frac{v}{c}) Yes I used this formula for mm/s to eV conversion.
E.g., Doppler shifted energy ED=vEγ/c. Here by taking v=1mm/s one can get 4.8075×10-8, i.e. 1mm/s=4.8075×10-8eV. Thinking of directly asking the author o:).

Thanks, Rajini.
 
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Hello all,
I solved!
From my previous post we have
M=-3EγkB/2c2[dIS/dT].
Now taking Eγ in eV
kB in eV/K
c in m/s
dIS/dT in mm/(sK)
M=eV eV s2 s K/(K m2 mm)
= eV eV s2 s K/(K m2 10-3m)
Include 'kg' in numerator and denominator so J=kg m2/s2, which will cancel with one eV
M=eV s kg/m
substitute m/s in eV
Finally
M=4.16×10-5/(dIS/dT) amu. (dIS/dT values in m/(sK)).
I also checked with that paper and got the correct exact values reported there.
regards, raja.
 

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