Converting Units (Medical Application)

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of units from megajoules per square millimeter (mj/mm²) to bar, particularly in a medical context related to shockwave therapy. Participants explore the dimensional differences between energy density and pressure, and whether a meaningful conversion can be made.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that mj/mm² (energy density) and bar (pressure) measure different physical quantities, making direct conversion problematic.
  • One participant mentions a specific conversion of 0.55 mj/mm² to approximately 7.23 bar, but questions the non-linear nature of the relationship.
  • Another participant references an article suggesting that shockwaves can be produced by different methods characterized by either pressure or energy, implying that empirical data may be necessary for conversion.
  • There is a suggestion to consult experts or refer to the article for further insights on the conversion issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that mj/mm² and bar represent different physical concepts, but there is no consensus on the feasibility of conversion or the interpretation of empirical data related to shockwave therapy.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of unit conversion when dealing with different physical dimensions and the potential reliance on empirical data for practical applications.

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I need to convert mj/mm^2 to bar is there a way to do that ? I think we cannot ,bar is N/m^2 but we have j/m^2
 
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One unit is an energy per area (energy density), but the other is a force per area (pressure). They have different dimensions and thus measure different things.
 
Doc Al said:
One unit is an energy per area (energy density), but the other is a force per area (pressure). They have different dimensions and thus measure different things.
Yes I agree, thanks
 
Arman777 said:
So I needed to convert 0.55mj/mm^2 to bar
Doc Al said:
One unit is an energy per area (energy density), but the other is a force per area (pressure).

Still true.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
Still true.
Yes i agree but what abou the table ? I mean i am going to physiotherapy and they asked me this question and i said we cannot convert but she said their machines are work in adjustment or it was somwthi g lke thay.
 
Arman777 said:
Yes i agree but what abou the table ?
I just skimmed that article, but it seems to say there are two ways of producing shockwaves. One of those ways can be characterized by the pressure used (compressed air), the other by the energy (magnetic). They are claiming they produce equivalent shock waves. Looks like some empirical chart.

(It's not a simple unit conversion, since those units are not measuring the same thing.)
 
Doc Al said:
I just skimmed that article, but it seems to say there are two ways of producing shockwaves. One of those ways can be characterized by the pressure used (compressed air), the other by the energy (magnetic). They are claiming they produce equivalent shock waves. Looks like some empirical chart.

(It's not a simple unit conversion, since those units are not measuring the same thing.)
Okay well I ll just show them the article since they are expert and I am sure they can deduce something from it
 
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Btw I find this
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