sigurdW
- 26
- 0
lugita15 said:Here's another paradox related to the Liar Paradox. There is a two-player game called Hypergame, which starts out by Player 1 saying the name of some two-player game. Then the two players proceed to play that game, with Player 2 taking the place of Player 1 and Player 2 taking the place of Player 1 within that subgame. (For instance, if Player 1 says Chess then player 2 will play white and player 1 will play black.) Then whoever wins the subgame wins the whole game. But there is an important restriction: player 1 cannot say any two-player game, it must be a finite game, meaning regardless of what moves the players make it must always terminate within a finite amount of time.
So now the question is, is Hypergame a finite game? It might seem obvious that it is, because player 1 is required to name a finite game, and then that finite game will be over in some finite time, so the whole game will be over in a finite time, so Hypergame must be finite. But then, if it is a finite game, then it is a valid game to be called during Hypergame. So player 1 says "Hypergame", and then the players start playing Hypergame with player 2 taking the role of player 1, so player 2 says "Hypergame", then within that game player 1 says "Hypergame", then player 2 says "Hypergame", etc. So the game can go on infinitely long, and thus Hypergame is not finite! But if it's not finite, then it's not a valid game to be called during Hypergame, so player 1 cannot call out "Hypergame" and thus the game cannot go on for an infinite amount of time, and thus Hypergame is finite!
1 Can you spot the similarity to the Liar paradox?
2Can you spot the similarity to Turing's proof that the Halting Problem is computationally undecidable?
1 The few paradoxes i have already checked are not similar to the Liar since their deduction only contained a Liar Identity... like Russells Paradox: The set that contains all sets not containing themselves can not be demonstrated because its infinite if it exists...and that set is what amounts to the Liar Sentence...What is there is its Referential Identity which can be shown to be a Liar Identity which solves the paradox.
2 I am not a Mathematician so unless I get interested or gets cash i won't yet check the details of the Halting Problem... Id prefer to tell the experts (are you one?) what to look for, so they can do the job themselves. My problem is how to express my thoughts so they get understood: I never had to defend my theory since nobody understood enough to spot any weak points...Sigh!