How to define the lower indexed tensor

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The discussion revolves around defining lower indexed tensors in the context of a specific problem from quantum mechanics, particularly focusing on the relationship between upper and lower indices in tensor notation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the process of lowering indices using the Minkowski metric and question the correctness of their notation and equations. There is a focus on understanding the manipulation of tensors and the implications of the metric properties.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem by suggesting methods to lower indices. There is ongoing clarification regarding the accuracy of the equations presented, with some corrections being made in response to peer feedback.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of Einstein notation and the specific details of the equations involved. Participants are also addressing the clarity of the problem statement and the adequacy of the provided information.

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Can someone help me with QC 8.4?
I am unsure
how to define the lower indexed tensor here. I have worked with upper and lower indices before but the relationship between the two has always just been given to me.

Let me know if you want to help but think that the attachment is too small to read.

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I can't see the attempt yet. However, this problem is a forced march. Just multiply both sides of equation (8.51) by two copies of [itex]\eta[/itex] to lower the indices.
 
I see:

[tex]\eta_{\beta \nu} \eta_{\alpha \mu} \epsilon ^{\mu \nu} = -\eta_{\alpha \mu} \eta_{\beta \nu} \epsilon ^{\nu \mu}[/tex]

And then 2 Minkowski metrics is just the identity matrix.

Is my Einstein notation correct?
 
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ehrenfest said:
And then 2 Minkowski metrics is just the identity matrix.
Instead of multiplying the metrics together, use them to lower the indices on [itex]\epsilon[/itex].
For instance
[tex]\eta_{\beta\nu}\eta_{\alpha\mu}\epsilon^{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\alpha\mu}{\epsilon^{\mu}}_{\beta}[/tex]

ehrenfest said:
Is my Einstein notation correct?
Yes, but the equation you wrote is wrong. It is missing a minus sign on the r.h.s.
 
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jimmysnyder said:
Instead of multiplying the metrics together, use them to lower the indices on [itex]\epsilon[/itex].
For instance
[tex]\eta_{\beta\nu}\eta_{\alpha\mu}\epsilon^{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\alpha\mu}{\epsilon^{\mu}}_{\alpha}[/tex]


Yes, but the equation you wrote is wrong. It is missing a minus sign on the r.h.s.

I see.


jimmysnyder said:
Yes, but the equation you wrote is wrong. It is missing a minus sign on the r.h.s.

Fixed it.
 
I'm sorry Ehrenfest, my post #4 which you quoted is incorrect. I have edited it. Please use the edited post, not the one that you quoted.
 

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