Geometric Version of Maxwell Equation related to Tensor Dual

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem from Misner, Thorne, and Wheeler's text on demonstrating that the divergence of the dual electromagnetic field tensor, denoted as ##\nabla \cdot *F##, corresponds to a geometric version of the Maxwell equations. Participants are exploring the properties of the electromagnetic field tensor ##F## and its dual, as well as the implications of their ranks and indices in the context of the equations presented.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to clarify the rank of the tensor ##F## and its dual ##*F##, questioning how the divergence operation affects the number of free indices. There is discussion about the nature of the Maxwell equations and how they relate to the divergence of the dual tensor. Some participants express confusion regarding the expected number of indices in the resulting equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into tensor notation and the implications of the divergence operation. Some have offered clarifications on the coding of tensor indices, while others are exploring the relationship between the dual tensor and the Maxwell equations. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of tensor calculus, particularly in the context of electromagnetic theory. There are references to specific exercises and equations from the MTW text, indicating a reliance on established theoretical frameworks. The discussion also highlights the challenge of interpreting the problem's requirements in terms of free indices and tensor ranks.

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Homework Statement


From Misner, Thorne and Wheeler's text Gravitation (MTW), exercise 3.15:
Show that, if F is the EM field tensor, then ##\nabla \cdot *F## is a geometric, frame-independent version of the Maxwell equation ##F_{\alpha,\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\alpha,\beta}=0##
(and similarly for the current equations)
##*F## is the dual of ##F##

Homework Equations


The Maxwell equation ##F_{\alpha,\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\alpha,\beta}=0##
The dual of a vector ##J## is defined ##*J_{\alpha\beta\gamma}=J^\mu \epsilon_{\mu\alpha\beta\gamma}##
where ##\epsilon## is the Levi-Civita symbol.
The dual of a second-rank antisymmetric tensor F is defined by ##*F_{\alpha\beta}=F^{\mu\nu}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\alpha\beta}##
The dual of a third-rank antisymmetric tensor ##B## is defined by ##*B_\alpha=B^{\lambda\mu\nu}\epsilon_{\lambda\mu\nu\alpha}##

The Attempt at a Solution


##(\nabla \cdot *F)_\beta=(*F)_{\alpha\beta,\alpha}=(\eta^{\alpha\gamma}F^{\mu\nu}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta})_{,\alpha}##
##=\eta^{\alpha\gamma}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta}F^{\mu\nu,\alpha}##
In the second expression, the first ##\alpha## should be in the upper position. In the last expression, the final ##,\alpha## should be in the lower position. But I don't know how to get Physics Forum to accept that. On my local machine I declare \usepackage{tensor} and say F\indices{...} but that doesn't seem to work on the forum.

I know that the Maxwell equation as given above is actually 64 equations, mostly redundant. I In MTW ##F## has two indices for the components, which leads me to think ##*F## is second-rank. But when I take the divergence of the second-rank tensor I get a vector as shown in my attempt at a solution. This seems to yield four equations rather than 64.

In equation (3.3) of MTW, it has the expression ##F(u)## which makes me think F is a first-rank tensor. I am unclear what is the rank of ##F## in this problem.
 
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##(\nabla \cdot *F)_\beta=(*F)^{\alpha}{}_{\beta,\alpha}=(\eta^{\alpha\gamma}F^{\mu\nu}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta})_{,\alpha}##
Code:
(\nabla \cdot *F)_\beta=(*F)_{\alpha\beta,     \alpha}=(\eta^{\alpha\gamma}F^{\mu\nu}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta})_{,\alpha}
(\nabla \cdot *F)_\beta=(*F)^{\alpha}{}_{\beta,\alpha}=(\eta^{\alpha\gamma}F^{\mu\nu}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta})_{,\alpha}
##=\eta^{\alpha\gamma}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta}F^{\mu\nu}{}_{,\alpha}##
Code:
=\eta^{\alpha\gamma}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta}F^{\mu\nu,\alpha}
=\eta^{\alpha\gamma}\epsilon_{\mu\nu\gamma\beta}F^{\mu\nu}{}_{,\alpha}

Since ##F_{ab}=\nabla_a A_b - \nabla_b A_a##, it's a two-form.
In n-dimensional space[time], its Hodge dual ##*F## has (n-2) indices. So, in (3+1)-dimensions, its Hodge dual also has 2 indices.

In Eq. (3.3), ##d{\bf p}/{dt}=e{\bf F}({\bf u})## is a 4-vector equation for the Lorentz Force.
In abstract index notation, this is ##d{\bf p}_b/{dt}=e{\bf F}_{ab}{\bf u}^a##

Look at Box 3.3 on "Index Gymnastics" on page 85.
 
Thanks for the help on Latex coding of tensor indices. Much appreciated!

Still wondering, though, about ##\nabla \cdot *F##. If ##*F## has two indices, shouldn't ##\nabla \cdot *F## have just one index? I seem to need three.
 
Gene Naden said:
Thanks for the help on Latex coding of tensor indices. Much appreciated!

Still wondering, though, about ##\nabla \cdot *F##. If ##*F## has two indices, shouldn't ##\nabla \cdot *F## have just one index? I seem to need three.
What do you mean by "I seem to need three"? In your expression given in your original post in the "attempt of a solution", what you wrote has only one uncontracted index (the alpha's are contracted).
 
The problem asks me to demonstrate that it reduces to maxwells equation ##F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\beta,\alpha}=0##.

That has three free indices.
 
Gene Naden said:
The problem asks me to demonstrate that it reduces to maxwells equation ##F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\beta,\alpha}=0##.

That has three free indices.

Have you seen "Eq. 3.49b"
MTW said:
Show that Maxwell's "magnetic" equations
##F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\beta,\alpha}=0##
can be rewritten in the form
##F_{[\alpha\beta,\gamma]}=0##.

Have you seen Exercise 3.13 on the Levi-Civita tensor ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi-Civita_symbol

In n-dimensions, the dual of a 3-form (with 3 indices) has (n-3) indices.

(Probably overkill for this problem... but may be a useful reference: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/algebraic-proofs-of-levi-civita-symbol-identities.919269/ )
 
Yes, I worked exercise 3.13.

My problem is that ##\nabla \cdot *F=0## seems to produce a formula with only one free index, whereas the exercise asks me to demonstrate that it reduces to an equation with three indices, i.e. ##F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\alpha,\beta}=0##

I seem to be missing your point, I am sorry.
 
Can you form the dual of ##F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\alpha,\beta}##?
 
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##*(F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}+F_{\beta\gamma,\alpha}+F_{\gamma\beta,\alpha})^\mu=\frac{1}{2}F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}\epsilon^{\alpha\beta\gamma\mu}##
##=-\frac{1}{2}F_{\alpha\beta,\gamma}\epsilon^{\alpha\beta\mu\gamma}=-\frac{1}{2}\frac{\partial}{\partial x^\gamma}F_{\alpha\beta}\epsilon^{\alpha\beta\mu\gamma}=-\frac{1}{2}(\nabla \cdot *F)^\mu=0##

ok that seems to be it. Thanks.
 

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