How to Derive Commutator Relations in the Poincare Lie Algebra?

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The discussion revolves around deriving commutator relations in the Poincaré Lie algebra, specifically focusing on the commutation relations involving the generators of Lorentz transformations and translations. The original poster seeks to understand the connection between provided hints and the commutator they need to show.

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  • The original poster attempts to relate the hint about Lorentz transformations to the commutator they need to calculate, expressing confusion about how to proceed. Some participants suggest that the commutators cannot be derived directly from one another and clarify the roles of the generators of translations and Lorentz transformations.

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Participants are exploring various interpretations of the problem and discussing the implications of the hints provided. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the generators and their roles, but there is no explicit consensus on how to connect the hint to the original problem.

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There is mention of specific textbooks that address the problem, but access to these resources is limited for some participants. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the relationship between the hint and the commutator they are tasked with showing.

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Given [M^{\mu \nu},M^{\rho\sigma}] = -i(\eta^{\mu\rho}M^{\nu\sigma}+\eta^{\nu\sigma}M^{\mu\rho}-\eta^{\mu\sigma}M^{\nu\rho}-\eta^{\nu\rho}M^{\mu\sigma})

and [P^{\mu},P^{\nu}]=0

I need to show that

[M^{\mu\nu},P^{\mu}] = i\eta^{\mu\rho}P^{\nu} - i\eta^{\nu\rho}P^{\mu}
We've been given the following as a 'hint':

Lorentz transformation x'^{\mu} = \Lambda^{\mu}_{\nu}x^{\nu},
\Lambda is a 4x4 matrix such that xy is Lorentz invariant.

xy = \eta_{\mu\nu}x^{\mu}y^{\nu} = x'y' = \eta_{\mu\nu}\Lambda^{\mu}_{\rho}x^{\rho}\Lambda^{\nu}_{\sigma}y^{\sigma}

\eta_{\mu\nu} = \eta_{\rho\sigma}\lambda^{\rho}_{\mu}\Lambda^{\sigma}_{\nu} (every Lambda solving this is a Lorentz transformation),

\Lambda^{\mu}_{\nu} = \delta^{\mu}_{\nu}+\eta^{\mu\rho}\omega_{\rho\nu}

\delta x^{\mu} = \eta^{\mu\rho}\omega_{\rho\nu} x^{\nu}

--> \omega_{\mu\nu} = - \omega_{\nu\mu}

Then \delta x^{\mu} = i \omega_{\rho\sigma}(M^{\rho\sigma})^{\mu}_{\nu} x^{\nu}

Then have two expressions for \delta x.My problem is basically that I do not see the relation between the question and the 'hint'. Presumably we can substitute something from the hint into the commutator we want to calculate, right? But what?Then we are also asked to find differential operators M such that

\delta x^{\mu} = \eta^{\mu\rho}\omega_{\rho\nu} x^{\nu}.

We are given the answer:

(M^{\rho\sigma})^{\mu}_{\nu} = L^{\rho\sigma}\delta^{\mu}_{\nu}

where

L^{\rho\sigma} = i (x^{\rho}∂^{\sigma} - x^{\sigma}∂^{\rho}) and P^{\mu} = -i∂^{\mu}

but I do not know how to get there.
 
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What textbook are you using ? The first question is addressed in Weinberg Vol 1, the second in Pierre Ramond's <Field Theory> book.
 
Weinberg shows how to derive the commutators directly, not how to derive one from the other. I know I should still be able to figure this problem out from what he shows in the book, but I can't seem to make it work.

I don't have access to Ramond.
 
1.You can't derive the commutators one from the other.

2. P's are generators of infinitesimal translations. The form is thus the partial derivative.

3. M's are generators for infinitesimal Lorentz transformations. A solution to the commutation relations is

M^{\mu\nu} = x^{[\mu}P^{\nu]}

as one can show by direct computation, using the differential form of P.

P.S. I retract what I said about Ramond. He's too sketchy.
 
Write
<br /> \delta x^{\mu}=(1/2)\omega^{\rho \sigma}\left(\eta_{\nu\sigma}\delta^{\mu}_{\rho}-\eta_{\nu\rho}\delta^{\mu}_{\sigma}\right)x^{\nu}<br />

then use
\delta^{\mu}_{\rho}=\partial_{\rho}x^{\mu}

to rewrite the above as

<br /> \delta x^{\mu}= \frac{i}{2} \omega^{\rho \sigma}L_{\rho \sigma}\delta^{\mu}_{\nu} x^{\nu}<br />
 

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