How to derive the associated Euler-Lagrange equation?

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Euler-Lagrange equations from given functionals. For the first functional, the Euler-Lagrange equation is established as 6(d²y/dx²) + 4y = 0, with boundary conditions y(1) = 1 and y(2) = 3. The second functional leads to the equation 4(d²y/dx²) - 2x²y = 0, with the boundary condition y(1) = 2. Key points include the importance of correctly applying the Gateaux differential and noting boundary conditions, particularly when they are not specified. The conversation emphasizes the need to derive boundary terms for unique solutions in variational problems.
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Homework Statement
For each of the following functionals, find the Gateaux differential and use it to derive the associated Euler-Lagrange equation. In each case, be sure to specify all boundary conditions that the stationary path must satisfy.
a) ## S[y]=\int_{1}^{2}(3y'^2-2y^2)dx, y(1)=1, y(2)=3 ##.
b) ## S[y]=y(0)+\frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}(2y'^2+x^2y^2)dx, y(1)=2 ##.
Relevant Equations
Gateaux differential: ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h]=\displaystyle \lim_{\epsilon \to 0}\frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y+\epsilon h] ## is defined on admissible paths ## y+\epsilon h ## for all ## \epsilon ## in the neighborhood of zero.

A path ## y(x) ## is a stationary path of a functional if the Gateaux differential ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h] ## is zero for all admissible paths ## y+\epsilon h ##.

For the functional ## S[y]=\int_{a}^{b}F(x, y, y')dx, y(a)=A, y(b)=B ##, the Euler-Lagrange equation is ## \frac{d}{dx}(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y'})-\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=0, y(a)=A, y(b)=B ##.
a) We have ## S[y+\epsilon h]=\int_{1}^{2}[3(y'+\epsilon h')^2-2(y+\epsilon h)^2]dx ##.
Note that ## \frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y+\epsilon h]=\int_{1}^{2}[6(y'+\epsilon h')h'-4(y+\epsilon h)h]dx=2\int_{1}^{2}[3(y'+\epsilon h')h'-2(y+\epsilon h)]dx ##.
Then ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h]=\frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y+\epsilon h]\rvert_{\epsilon=0}=2\int_{1}^{2}(3y'h'-2yh)dx ##.
Thus, the Gateaux differential is ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h]=2\int_{1}^{2}(3y'h'-2yh)dx ##.
Consider the functional ## S[y]=\int_{1}^{2}(3y'^2-2y^2)dx, y(1)=1, y(2)=3 ##.
Let ## F(x, y, y')=3y'^2-2y^2 ##.
Then ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y'}=6y' ## and ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=-4y ##.
Observe that ## \frac{d}{dx}(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y'})-\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=0\implies 6\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+4y=0 ##.
Therefore, the Euler-Lagrange equation is ## 6\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+4y=0, y(1)=1, y(2)=3 ##.

b) We have ## S[y+\epsilon h]=y(0)+\frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}(2(y'+\epsilon h')^2+x^2(y+\epsilon h)^2)dx ##.
Note that ## \frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y+\epsilon h]=y(0)+\frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}[4(y'+\epsilon h')h'+2x^2(y+\epsilon h)h]dx=y(0)+\int_{0}^{1}[2(y'+\epsilon h')h'+x^2(y+\epsilon h)h]dx ##.
Thus, the Gateaux differential is ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h]=\int_{0}^{1}(2y'h'+x^2yh)dx ##.
Consider the functional ## S[y]=y(0)+\frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}(2y'^2+x^2y^2)dx, y(1)=2 ##.
Let ## F(x, y, y')=2y'^2+x^2y^2 ##.
Then ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y'}=4y' ## and ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=2x^2y ##.
Observe that ## \frac{d}{dx}(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y'})-\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=0\implies 4\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}-2x^2y=0 ##.
Therefore, the Euler-Lagrange equation is ## 4\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}-2x^2y=0, y(1)=2 ##.
 
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Math100 said:
a) We have ## S[y+\epsilon h]=\int_{1}^{2}[3(y'+\epsilon h')^2-2(y+\epsilon h)^2]dx ##.
Note that ## \frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y+\epsilon h]=\int_{1}^{2}[6(y'+\epsilon h')h'-4(y+\epsilon h)h]dx=2\int_{1}^{2}[3(y'+\epsilon h')h'-2(y+\epsilon h)]dx ##.
There is a factor ##h## missing (only here at the end).
Math100 said:
Then ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h]=\frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y+\epsilon h]\rvert_{\epsilon=0}=2\int_{1}^{2}(3y'h'-2yh)dx ##.
Thus, the Gateaux differential is ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h]=2\int_{1}^{2}(3y'h'-2yh)dx ##.
Consider the functional ## S[y]=\int_{1}^{2}(3y'^2-2y^2)dx, y(1)=1, y(2)=3 ##.
Let ## F(x, y, y')=3y'^2-2y^2 ##.
Then ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y'}=6y' ## and ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=-4y ##.
Observe that ## \frac{d}{dx}(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y'})-\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=0\implies 6\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+4y=0 ##.
Therefore, the Euler-Lagrange equation is ## 6\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}+4y=0, y(1)=1, y(2)=3 ##.
Are you sure you shouldn't solve this equation? What else should be the initial values for? At least you should divide by ##6.##
Math100 said:
b) We have ## S[y+\epsilon h]=y(0)+\frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}(2(y'+\epsilon h')^2+x^2(y+\epsilon h)^2)dx ##.
Note that ## \frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y+\epsilon h]=y(0)+\frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}[4(y'+\epsilon h')h'+2x^2(y+\epsilon h)h]dx=y(0)+\int_{0}^{1}[2(y'+\epsilon h')h'+x^2(y+\epsilon h)h]dx ##.
Note that ##\frac{d}{d\epsilon} y(0)=0.##
Math100 said:
Thus, the Gateaux differential is ## \bigtriangleup S[y, h]=\int_{0}^{1}(2y'h'+x^2yh)dx ##.
Consider the functional ## S[y]=y(0)+\frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1}(2y'^2+x^2y^2)dx, y(1)=2 ##.
Let ## F(x, y, y')=2y'^2+x^2y^2 ##.
Then ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y'}=4y' ## and ## \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=2x^2y ##.
Observe that ## \frac{d}{dx}(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y'})-\frac{\partial F}{\partial y}=0\implies 4\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}-2x^2y=0 ##.
Therefore, the Euler-Lagrange equation is ## 4\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}-2x^2y=0, y(1)=2 ##.
This is definitely harder to solve, so maybe all you actually need to do is note the Lagrangian. Divide it by ##4##.

It looks okay apart from the typo (missing ##h##), ##y(0)## (vanishes under the differentiation along ##\epsilon##) and the missing divisions (to make ##y''## with a coefficient ##1## in the Lagrangian) and the possible missing solution of the differential equations. At least from what I can tell from re-reading
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/pantheon-derivatives-part-ii/
which I wrote more than six years ago.
 
For (b), \begin{split}<br /> S[y] &amp;= y(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 2y&#039;^2 + x^2 y^2 \,dx \\<br /> S[y + \epsilon h] &amp;= y(0) + \epsilon h(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 2(y&#039; + \epsilon h&#039;)^2 + x^2(y + \epsilon h)^2\,dx \\<br /> \frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y + \epsilon h] &amp;= h(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 4(y&#039; + \epsilon h&#039;)h&#039; + 2x^2(y + \epsilon h)h\,dx<br /> \end{split} so \begin{split}\Delta S[y,h] &amp;= h(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 4y&#039;h&#039; + 2x^2yh\,dx\\<br /> &amp;= h(0) + \int_0^1 2y&#039;h&#039; + x^2 yh\,dx.\end{split} Note the extra h(0) term, which is due to the fact that the variation of y(0) is y(0) + \epsilon h(0). You are given that y(1) = 2, so h(1) = 0 is required; you are not given a condition on y at x = 0 so you can't assume h(0) = 0. What condition will you impose on y at x = 0 to guarantee a unique solution?
 
pasmith said:
For (b), \begin{split}<br /> S[y] &amp;= y(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 2y&#039;^2 + x^2 y^2 \,dx \\<br /> S[y + \epsilon h] &amp;= y(0) + \epsilon h(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 2(y&#039; + \epsilon h&#039;)^2 + x^2(y + \epsilon h)^2\,dx \\<br /> \frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y + \epsilon h] &amp;= h(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 4(y&#039; + \epsilon h&#039;)h&#039; + 2x^2(y + \epsilon h)h\,dx<br /> \end{split} so \begin{split}\Delta S[y,h] &amp;= h(0) + \frac12 \int_0^1 4y&#039;h&#039; + 2x^2yh\,dx\\<br /> &amp;= h(0) + \int_0^1 2y&#039;h&#039; + x^2 yh\,dx.\end{split} Note the extra h(0) term, which is due to the fact that the variation of y(0) is y(0) + \epsilon h(0). You are given that y(1) = 2, so h(1) = 0 is required; you are not given a condition on y at x = 0 so you can't assume h(0) = 0. What condition will you impose on y at x = 0 to guarantee a unique solution?
I don't know. What will the condition be?
 
Hint: y&#039;h&#039; = (y&#039;h)&#039; - y&#039;&#039;h
 
pasmith said:
Hint: y&#039;h&#039; = (y&#039;h)&#039; - y&#039;&#039;h
I still don't understand.
 
For S[y] = \int_0^1 F(y,y&#039;,x)\,dx the Gateux derivative is \begin{split}<br /> \Delta S[y,h] &amp;= \lim_{\epsilon \to 0} \frac{d}{d\epsilon}S[y + \epsilon h] \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}h + \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}h&#039;\,dx \\<br /> &amp;= \int_0^1 \frac{\partial F}{\partial y}h + \frac{d}{dx}\left( \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;} h \right)- \frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}\right)h\,dx \\<br /> &amp;= \left[ \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;} h\right]_0^1 <br /> + \int_0^1 \left( \frac{\partial F}{\partial y} - \frac{d}{dx}\left( \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;} \right)\right)h\,dx. \end{split} To determine the optimum solution y : \forall \mbox{ admissible $h$} : \Delta S[y,h] = 0 we impose the conditions <br /> \begin{split}<br /> \frac{\partial F}{\partial y} - \frac{d}{dx}\left( \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;} \right) &amp;= 0 \\<br /> \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}(y(0),y&#039;(0),0)h(0) &amp;= 0 \\<br /> \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}(y(1),y&#039;(1),1)h(1) &amp;= 0. \end{split} This has the form of a second order ODE (the Euler-Lagrange equation) for y subject to two boundary conditions: at x = c \in \{0,1\} either y(c) is specified in which case h(c) = 0 so that the corresponding condition is satisfied, or else y(c) is not specified so that h(c) is arbitrary and we must impose <br /> \frac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}(y(c),y&#039;(c),c) = 0.<br /> I'm sure your text or your lecturer will have explained this derivation, and in particular the step of integrating \dfrac{\partial F}{\partial y&#039;}h&#039; by parts. In your working, however, instead of following it through completely to obtain not just the Euler-Lagrange equation but also the boundary terms, you reach the second line of my derivation of \Delta S[y,h] and then just substitute F into the Euler-Lagrange equation, which you quote in your Relevant Equations for the case where y is specified on both boundaries. That is not the point of this exercise. In part (a) y is specified at both boundaries so that approach works, but part (b) is an extension to the case <br /> S[y] = y(0) + \int_0^1 F(y,y&#039;,x)\,dx where the Euler-Lagrange equation does not change but the boundary terms do, and you need to obtain those terms because y(0) is not specified.
 
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