How to derive the velocity addition formula

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The discussion revolves around deriving the velocity addition formula, specifically v = (v' + u) / (1 + v'u/c². The context involves concepts from special relativity, particularly relating to time dilation and length contraction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to manipulate several equations related to time and length in special relativity to derive the velocity addition formula. They express confusion regarding algebraic steps and the elimination of variables.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some expressing uncertainty about their previous calculations and others indicating progress in their understanding. There is no clear consensus yet, but the discussion is ongoing with attempts to clarify the steps involved.

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Some participants mention errors in their earlier calculations and express frustration with the complexity of the algebra involved. There is a suggestion of potential confusion in the setup of the problem, and the original poster considers resubmitting for further clarification.

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Homework Statement


Derive the formula v= (v'+u)/(1+v'u/c^2) the velcoty addition formula using the below formulas?


Homework Equations


1. vt1=L+ut1
2. (proper time)=(proper length)/v'+(proper length)/c
3. ct2=L-ut2
4. (dilated time)= (proper time)/(sqrt(1-v^2/c^2))
5. L=(proper length)sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)


The Attempt at a Solution


Ok so here is what I did I solved equation 1 above for t1 and got t1=(L+ut1)/v and equation 3 for t2 and got t2=(L-ut2)/c. I then added them together to get (dilated time or delta t)=(L+ut1)/v+(L-ut2)/c. Then I used equation 4 to get ((L+ut1)/v+(L-ut2)/c)sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)=(proper time). Then I set that equal ti equation 2 ((L+ut1)/v+(L-ut2)/c)sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)= (proper length)/v'+(proper length)/c. Then (proper length)=L/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) and this is where I get lost in my algebra I can't seem to get rid of L and (proper length) in order to find the correct formula?
 
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whoops I think I caught some of my errors when I solved for t1 and t2 I forgot the other side?
 
ok after reworking a bit I am still lost but 1 step closer I think. (Proper length)/v'+(proper length)/c=sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)(L/(c+u)+L/(v-u)) I have then tried using the length contraction on this but it gets very complicated uggg.
 
Is it too confusing, should I resubmit
 

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