How to derive this equation of missile launch?

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The discussion revolves around deriving equations related to missile launch, specifically focusing on the equations v=∆x√(g/2H) and v=√(2gh/(β+1)). Participants are exploring the context and application of these formulas within the framework of projectile motion and energy conservation.

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  • Participants are questioning the specific problem statement and its clarity, with some noting the need for additional context or diagrams. There is also discussion about the correct interpretation of the second formula and its implications for the derivation process.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants clarifying the correct form of the equations and discussing the conditions under which they can be combined. Some have provided insights into the assumptions needed for the derivation, but no consensus has been reached on the overall approach.

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Hi All,
Question: How to derive these equations of missile launch?

v=∆x√(g/2H)

v=√(2gh/β+1)

I need to use these formulas:
∆y=voyt - (gt²)/2
∆x=vxt
K=(mv²)/2 + (Iω²)/2
∆UG=mg∆y
I=βmr²
β=2/5

Thanks, Carlos.
 
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They seem to be derived for a specific problem statement. How exactly are they used?
 
The exercise asked to deduce these formulas.
 
Without any other context or diagram? Then the problem statement is really bad.
 
CarlosK said:
Hi All,
Question: How to derive these equations of missile launch?

v=∆x√(g/2H)

v=√(2gh/β+1)

I need to use these formulas:
∆y=voyt - (gt²)/2
∆x=vxt
K=(mv²)/2 + (Iω²)/2
∆UG=mg∆y
I=βmr²
β=2/5

Thanks, Carlos.

When parsed according to standard rules for reading mathematical expressions, the second formula above means
[tex]v = \sqrt{ \frac{2gh}{\beta} + 1}[/tex]
Is that really what you wanted, or did you mean
[tex]v = \sqrt{ \frac{2gh}{\beta + 1}} ?[/tex]
If the latter, you need to use parentheses, like this: v = √ (2gh/(β+1)).
 
Sorry..
v = √ (2gh/(β+1)) is correct. Thanks
 
I got this v = √ (2gh/(β+1)).
I need this v=∆x√(g/(2H))
 
}{2}\;\;\to\;\;t=\sqrt{\frac{2h}{g}}\;\;\;\therefore&space;\;\;\;\frac{1}{t}=\sqrt{\frac{g}{2h}}.gif

atex?v_x=\frac{\Delta&space;x}{t}\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;&space;v_x=\Delta&space;x\sqrt{\frac{g}{2h}}.gif

by: Euclides (http://pir2.forumeiros.com/)
 
Combining those equations only makes sense if ##\Delta x=h## (they have to apply to the same time t), and if vx is the average velocity during ascent (or descent).
 

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