How to Determine Masses in a Binary Star System?

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The discussion revolves around determining the masses of two stars in a binary star system, specifically Sirius. The problem involves parameters such as the period of the binary system, parallax measurements, and the angular extent of the semimajor axis of the reduced mass. Participants are exploring how to utilize these parameters within the context of Kepler's laws.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of the mass ratio derived from the distance ratio of the stars to the center of mass. There are attempts to relate the angular measurements to the actual distances and semimajor axes. Questions arise about the definition of "reduced mass" and how to apply the calculated semimajor axis in Kepler's third law.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the calculations needed to find the semimajor axis and questioning the definitions and relationships between the parameters. There is a recognition of the need to calculate certain values rather than relying on given data.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the need for conversions and the interpretation of angular measurements in relation to physical distances. There is an acknowledgment of the textbook nature of the problem, which may influence the appropriateness of the forum section for discussion.

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Hello,

I wasn't sure whether I should post this is the homework section since it's technically a textbook problem, but I figured I'd get better responses here. The problem is as follows:

Sirius is a visual binary with a period of 49.94 years. Its measured parallax is .37931"## \pm ##.00158", and the angular extent of the semimajor axis of the reduced mass is 7.61". The ratio of the distances of Sirius A and B to the center of mass is ## a_A / a_B = .466 ##. Find the masses of the two stars, assuming that the motion is in the plane of the sky.

First, you can use the ratio to get ## m_A / m_B = 1/.466 = 2.146##. I'm pretty sure I next have to use the 7.61", but I don't know how. After that, I would have all the unknowns in Kepler's third except the masses, so I could solve the system. So how do I get the semimajor axis of the smaller star?
 
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piercebeatz said:
I wasn't sure whether I should post this is the homework section since it's technically a textbook problem, but I figured I'd get better responses here.
Textbook questions belong to the homework section. I moved it with a redirect in the original forum.

First, you can use the ratio to get ## m_A / m_B = 1/.466 = 2.146##.
Okay.
I'm pretty sure I next have to use the 7.61", but I don't know how.
This is related to the true semi-major axis of the system, if you know the distance. There is another parameter given that allows to calculate the distance.

So how do I get the semimajor axis of the smaller star?
Find the semi-major axis of the reduced mass first.
 
mfb said:
This is related to the true semi-major axis of the system, if you know the distance. There is another parameter given that allows to calculate the distance.

Using the parallactic angle yields ## d [pc] = 1/p" = 1/.37921 = 2.6363 pc##. Now what?

By the way, the "reduced mass" just refers to the star with lower mass, right?
 
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piercebeatz said:
Using the parallactic angle yields ## d [pc] = 1/p" = 1/.37921 = 2.6363 pc##. Now what?
You got an angle (as seen from earth) and a distance...

By the way, the "reduced mass" just refers to the star with lower mass, right?
No.
 
Yeah, my bad... 7.61" = a / 2.636 pc ---> a = 3.00 E12 after converting 7.61" to rad and 2.636 to m. So is this the same a that goes in kepler's third equation? Or do I have to go back and use the semimajor axis ratio that I was given
 
So is this the same a that goes in kepler's third equation?
Should be. Check the link to the reduced mass.
Or do I have to go back and use the semimajor axis ratio that I was given
There was no given semi-major axis, you had to calculate it.
 
mfb said:
Should be. Check the link to the reduced mass.
There was no given semi-major axis, you had to calculate it.

Got it. Thank you very much.
 

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