How to determine parabolic object.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining whether an object resembles a parabola, specifically in the context of constructing a satellite or focusing device. Participants explore methods for verifying the parabolic nature of an object and calculating the area inside it.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the object in question may be a paraboloid and provides the general equation for it.
  • Another participant proposes measuring the object's parameters and marking points to derive an equation, questioning the feasibility of this method.
  • A different viewpoint discusses using lasers to test the reflective properties of the object, suggesting a practical approach to verify its parabolic characteristics.
  • For calculating the area, one participant mentions measuring the density and thickness of the material and weighing the object as a straightforward method.
  • Concerns are raised about the difficulty and potential errors in manually measuring points and fitting an equation to the data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing methods for determining the parabolic nature of the object and calculating the area, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not clarify assumptions regarding the object's shape or the precision of measurements, nor do they resolve the complexities involved in deriving an equation from measured points.

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This is more of an mathematics application question than anything, but.
Let's say I'm building a satellite or some sort of focusing device. I obviously need a parabola. If I have an object that resembles a parabola—for example, a pot of some sort—how can I determine that's it's in reality a parabola, and not just a random shape?
Also, what would I need to do to find the area inside of that pot?
Thanks.
 
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You mean a paraboloid?

It should have the following equation

[tex]f(x,y) = a(x - x_0)^2 + b(y - y_0)^2 + k[/tex]
 
Yep.
So I would measure out it's parameters, and say, mark a point as the origin? Then (let's assume inches instead of cm), mark another point on the edge and find it's coordinates? Would I keep doing that until I had an equation, then plug in values and make sure it fit roughly?
 
You're saying you actually have an aluminum object in real life whose paraboloidness you wish to determine? Assuming it's reflective you can shoot lasers parallel to the rotational axis and they all should pass through a point... so you could try pointing a bunch simultaneously around the edges, hold up a sheet in the middle and see what kind of spread you get as you move it back and forth. This would also just tell you how close to a focusing device you've actually constructed.

To get the area I would just find the density of the material, measure the thickness (assuming it's uniform) and weigh the thing. No need to be fancy if you don't have to be

Trying to measure a set of points and get relative coordinates, followed by finding a best fit equation and margin of error seems like a pretty difficult and error prone method especially if you're doing it by hand
 

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