How to Determine Phase Difference Between Two Sinusoidal Signals

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Homework Statement



I have read that the phase difference between two sinusoidal signals is calculated as follows:

$$\theta = \omega \Delta T = \frac{2 \pi}{T} \Delta T$$

Where ##\Delta T## is the time difference. This formula confuses me as it was derived from nowhere.

I am asked to compute the phase difference between the two waveforms shown:

Plot of two sinusoidal voltage waves against time in seconds, labelled WAVE 1 (black, amplitude 1 volt) and WAVE 2 (grey, amplitude 2 volts), over roughly 0 to 12.5 seconds.


Also how much does wave 1 lead wave 2?

Homework Equations



$$f = \frac{1}{T}$$
$$\omega = 2 \pi f$$

The Attempt at a Solution



I am confused with the question itself. I know I am merely looking for the phase difference ##|\theta_1 - \theta_2|## between the waves.

Wave 1 appears to be a plain old sin wave (##v_1 = 1*sin(\omega t)##). Wave 2 is lagging behind wave 1 (##v_2 = 2*sin(\omega t + \phi)##).

Is that the right approach? Or do I read the periods of each wave off?
 
The phase is relative to the wave period ##T##, so you need to figure out both ##T## and ##\Delta T## (as you can see from the equation you posted).
 
olivermsun said:
The phase is relative to the wave period ##T##, so you need to figure out both ##T## and ##\Delta T## (as you can see from the equation you posted).

##T## is what confused me as there are two different periods for each wave. Here's what I have so far:

Handwritten solution to a phase difference problem: periods T1 = (6.15 ± 0.02) s and T2 = (6.40 ± 0.02) s, ΔT = (0.15 ± 0.04) s, phases θ1 = 0.153 rad and θ2 = 0.147 rad with uncertainties 0.041 and 0.039 rad, and phase difference |θ1 − θ2| = 0.006 rad.
 
olivermsun said:
The phase is relative to the wave period ##T##, so you need to figure out both ##T## and ##\Delta T## (as you can see from the equation you posted).

Sorry for the double, but I think I realized something. Is the period of both waves and not just one roughly 6.25? The time difference would be roughly 0.15.
 
Look closely — I think both waves have the same period ##T##.
 
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The formula you wondered about comes about from considering ##T## to be the period and ##\Delta T## to be a portion of ##T##. That means ##\Delta T / T## is the fraction of a full cycle of ##2 \pi## radians. So then:
$$\phi = \frac{\Delta T}{T} 2 \pi$$

As near as I can tell both waves have the same period.

One way to do this sort of problem is to identify similar zero-crossing points and use them for the instants of time that you'll be considering. By "similar" I mean where both waves are crossing the zero level in the same direction. Here's your picture with three such crossing points indicated. I've also laid a "ruler" along the zero V axis for convenience.

Graph of v (volts) against t (sec) showing two sinusoidal waves labelled WAVE 1 and WAVE 2, with red arrows marking intervals Ta and Tb and a period T, and red circles at zero-crossing points.


Note that two time differences are indicated, ##T_a## and ##T_b##. One of them is smaller than the other. You generally want to take the smaller one because it will will yield a phase difference less than 180°. But it may make you re-evaluate whether wave 2 is leading or lagging wave 1!

If you are required to consider that wave 1 leads wave 2, then you'll have to live with the larger angular difference in this case.
 
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olivermsun said:
Look closely — I think both waves have the same period ##T##.

Cool, I now get:

##\theta = \frac{2 \pi}{T} \Delta T = \frac{2 \pi}{6.25} (0.15) = 0.151 rad##
 
I don't see where you're getting the 0.15 second value for ##\Delta T##.
 
gneill said:
I don't see where you're getting the 0.15 second value for ##\Delta T##.

##\Delta T## was not explained. It was only mentioned as the time difference once.

I think that it's the difference between the peaks? So ##\Delta T = 4##.

Then ##\theta = 4.02 rad##.
 
Zondrina said:
##\Delta T## was not explained. It was only mentioned as the time difference once.

I think that it's the difference between the peaks? So ##\Delta T = 4##.

Then ##\theta = 4.02 rad##.
It's the difference between any two equivalent points on the waveforms. Peaks are an example. But I find zero crossings can be determined more accurately. That's why I pointed out three choice ones on the figure.
 
gneill said:
It's the difference between any two equivalent points on the waveforms. Peaks are an example. But I find zero crossings can be determined more accurately. That's why I pointed out three choice ones on the figure.

Yes I liked your method as well, it actually helped me realize that it was really the difference between two equivalent points.