How to Determine the Error on Magnetic Susceptibility?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the error associated with the measurement of magnetic susceptibility in a lab report context. The original poster is measuring magnetic susceptibility from force measurements and is uncertain about how to calculate the error on this derived value.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply error propagation techniques to find the uncertainty in magnetic susceptibility based on known errors in force and the derivative of the magnetic field. Other participants question the definitions of terms used, such as "mass susceptibility," and seek clarification on the relevant equations and concepts.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's question, providing clarifications on terminology and discussing the rules of error propagation relevant to the problem. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the definitions and calculations involved.

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There is a mention of a potential misclassification of the thread's topic, indicating that the original poster may have intended to post in a different forum. Additionally, some participants express uncertainty about specific terms and seek references for definitions.

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Homework Statement


Alright so I'm writing a lab report and I am running into a problem of finding the error on this value.
I am measuring the magnetic susceptibility of a couple of samples. My lab manual and instructor told me the error on the force is related to the error on the derivative of the magnetic field alone and not on the mass or the change in mass.
The trouble is I am measuring the force and calculating the magnetic susceptibility. The value of interest to me is the magnetic susceptibility and I don't know how to get the error on the magnetic susceptibility.

Homework Equations


Fx= 0.5/µ0 * χm*m* (dB^2)/(dx)
Thus
χm = (2* Fx* µ0)/(m*(dB^2)/(dx))

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the error on (dB^2)/(dx) and using propagation of error, I calculate the error on the force.
Should I use the propagation of error again to find the error on the magnetic susceptibility with only F and (dB^2)/(dx) contributing to the error??Edit: I think this should have been in the introductory physics forum, my mistake.
 
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As it stands, m should be a dimensionless quantity. What does m stand for in your equations?
 
χm is the mass susceptibility and it has units of m3/kilogram
m is the mass of the sample I am measuring it's susceptibility.
 
I have no idea what "mass susceptibility" is. Could you provide a reference from somewhere where this thing is defined?
 
OK, so what I knew as magnetic susceptibility is referred to as volume susceptibility. Then, your eqn looks right. m stands for the total mass of the sample.
 
I know my equation is correct :p Another PF user helped me a lot to get there.
I'm asking about the uncertainty of χm
 
So, you have a ratio of 2 experimentally measurable quantities ([itex]F[/itex] and [itex]dB^2/dx[/itex]). What is the rule of error propagation when you have a ratio?
 
Dickfore said:
So, you have a ratio of 2 experimentally measurable quantities ([itex]F[/itex] and [itex]dB^2/dx[/itex]). What is the rule of error propagation when you have a ratio?

Yea, I got that a few minutes ago, I can't believe I was so absent minded :) Thank you for your help. :)
 

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