How to Determine the Sign of the Square Root in ODEs for Photon Orbits?

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This discussion centers on determining the sign of the square root in ordinary differential equations (ODEs) for photon orbits around a black hole. The equations involved include the potential function V^2(r) and the derivatives of r and φ with respect to the affine parameter λ. The key issue is resolving the ± sign in the equation dr/dλ = ±√(E² - V²(r)), which arises from the dual nature of photon orbits where the distance from the black hole can both increase and decrease. The suggested approach to address this is to differentiate dr/dλ to eliminate the ambiguity of the sign.

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hi there,
I'm trying to plot r against \phi by solving the following ODEs using runge-kutta. The problem I'm having is with the square root. How do I know when it will be positive and when it will be negative? If this is a simple question I apologise I'm not that great with the maths :).

E and L and M are constants.
r>0.
<br /> V^2(r) = \left(1 - \frac{2M}{r} \right)\frac{L^2}{r^2}<br />
<br /> \frac{d \phi}{d \lambda} &amp;= \frac{L}{r^2} <br />
<br /> \frac{dr}{d\lambda} &amp;= \pm\sqrt{E^2 - V^2(r)}<br />

Thanks
 
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\pm sign shouldn't be there in the first place. You have to decide whether it is positive or negative sign. Just look back at your model again.
 
matematikawan said:
\pm sign shouldn't be there in the first place. You have to decide whether it is positive or negative sign. Just look back at your model again.

The model is of a photon's path around a black hole. The \pm is due to the fact that the photons distance from the black hole can increase and decrease in the same orbit.

I've been advised to differentiate dr/d\lambda to get around the \pm but I am unsure as to how this will solve my problem.

I have the d^2r/d \lambda ^2 as \frac{d^2r}{d\lambda^2} &amp;= \frac{L^2(r - 3M)}{r^4}
 

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