How to Evaluate the Dot Product of Complex Electric Field Vectors?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the dot product of complex electric field vectors in the context of heat dissipation due to an incident harmonic electric field. The original poster is attempting to understand how to compute this dot product, particularly in relation to the complex conductivity, σ, and its implications for the energy expression.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore whether σ is a scalar or tensor and discuss the implications of this on the dot product calculation. There are attempts to clarify the correct form of the dot product involving complex vectors and the role of complex conjugates.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the mathematical operations involved with complex vectors. Some guidance has been provided regarding the treatment of the dot product and the need for real values in the context of heat dissipation. Multiple interpretations of the dot product and its components are being explored, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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The original poster has not taken an electromagnetism class, which may limit their familiarity with the concepts being discussed. There is an ongoing examination of assumptions regarding the properties of complex numbers in vector operations.

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I'm trying to figure out the heat dissipation in a volume V due to an incident harmonic electric field.
I know
<br /> Q = \frac{1}{2}\int_V\mathrm{Re}\left(\mathbf{j}^{*} \cdot \mathbf{E}\right) d^3x<br />
<br /> = \frac{1}{2}\int_V\mathrm{Re}\left(\left(\sigma \mathbf{E}\right)^{*} \cdot \mathbf{E}\right) d^3x<br />

My biggest problem is that I don't know how to evaluate that dot product. If someone could please either explain it or link me to a resource that explains working with complex vectors, I would appreciate it. I haven't taken an EM class yet and I've never had it explained elsewhere how to operate with complex vectors, so I am mostly flailing around with this stuff.
 
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It depends, is \sigma a scalar or a tensor?

If it's a scalar, this is pretty straightforward. Since \sigma \mathbf{E}^* = ( \sigma E_x^*, \sigma E_y^*, \sigma E_z^* ), try dotting that with E and see what you get.
 
Sigma (the complex conductivity) is a scalar. Anyway, I think this dot product should be
<br /> \sigma(E_x^2,E_y^2,E_z^2)<br />
but it seems weird to have E^2 as opposed to |E|^2 for complex numbers.
 
capandbells said:
Sigma (the complex conductivity) is a scalar.
Okay, good.

Anyway, I think this dot product should be
<br /> \sigma(E_x^2,E_y^2,E_z^2)<br />
That's incorrect. Can you show how you came up with that?
 
<br /> ( \sigma \mathbf{E})^{*} \cdot \mathbf{E} = ( ( \sigma E_x)^{*}, ( \sigma E_y)^{*}, ( \sigma E_x)^{*}) \cdot (E_x, E_y, E_z) = (( \sigma E_x)^{*})^{*}(Ex) + (( \sigma E_y)^{*})^{*}(E_y) +(( \sigma E_y)^{*})^{*}(E_z) <br />
<br /> = ( \sigma E_x)(E_x) + ( \sigma E_y)(E_y) + ( \sigma E_z)(E_z) = \sigma (E_x^2 + E_y^2 + E_z^2)<br />
 
Okay.

The way I learned it, a dot product does not involve taking the complex conjugate of the first vector. So actually you would get terms like Ex*·Ex, etc., and you'd end up with σ|E|2.

Note that heat dissipation Q should be a real number (right?).
 
The expression for energy invloves a conjugate so that energy is real. The dot product is a vector operation and doesn't care if the components are complex or not.
 
lets just go from basics, step by step, assuming everything is complex

(sigma E)* . E
where E(vector) and sigma(scalar) are complex

(sigma)* E* . E = sigma* |E|^2

or

sigma* (Ex*, Ey*, Ez*).(Ex, Ey, Ez) = sigma* [|Ex|^2+|Ey|^2+|Ez|^2] = sigma* |E|^2

must take modulus of the field and its components
 

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