How to Expand a Fraction Using Partial Fractions

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The discussion revolves around expanding a fraction using partial fractions, specifically focusing on the expression 2(s+5)/(1.25*s^2+3s+9). The problem involves complex roots derived from the quadratic formula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the quadratic formula to find complex roots and the setup of partial fractions. There are attempts to simplify the expression and questions about the correctness of the derived terms. Some participants suggest multiplying by the complex conjugate to simplify further.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning each other's reasoning and assumptions. There is a mix of agreement and confusion regarding the application of algebraic principles, particularly in relation to the factorization of the quadratic expression.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the algebraic manipulation involved in the factorization process and the implications of the leading coefficient in the quadratic expression.

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Homework Statement



expand by partial fractions:

Homework Equations



2(s+5)/(1.25*s^2+3s+9)

The Attempt at a Solution



ok I initially used the quadratic formula to get the two roots for the denominator
these being
(s+6/5+12i/5)(s+6/5-12i/5) i.e complex numbers

so now the partial fractions looks like this:

2(s+5)/(s+6/5+12i/5)(s+6/5-12i/5) = A/(s+6/5+12i/5)+B/(s+6/5-12i/5)

solving for B I get 1-19/12i which when multiplied by i/i = 1+19i/12 and A is the conjugate I believe, therefore A=1-19i/12

now the partial fraction looks like this
(1-19i/12)/(s+6/5-12i/5)+(1+19i/12)/(s+6/5+12i/5)

does this look right so far? If so how should I proceed in simplifying the terms?

thanks
 
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Multiply the numerator and denominator of each fraction by the complex conjugate of its denominator.
 
thanks,
have I worked it out right up to the last term?
 
I haven't worked it out, but that suggestion might give you back what you started with.

Do you need to simplify it?
 
Bill Foster said:
I haven't worked it out, but that suggestion might give you back what you started with.

Do you need to simplify it?

I personally prefer to always leave terms in the most simple of ways.
 
aerandir4 said:
ok I initially used the quadratic formula to get the two roots for the denominator
these being
(s+6/5+12i/5)(s+6/5-12i/5) i.e complex numbers

so now the partial fractions looks like this:

2(s+5)/(s+6/5+12i/5)(s+6/5-12i/5) = A/(s+6/5+12i/5)+B/(s+6/5-12i/5)

Careful,

[tex]1.25*s^2+3s+9=\frac{5}{4}\left(s+\frac{6}{5}+\frac{12i}{5}\right)\left(s+\frac{6}{5}-\frac{12i}{5}\right)\neq\left(s+\frac{6}{5}+\frac{12i}{5}\right)\left(s+\frac{6}{5}-\frac{12i}{5}\right)[/itex][/tex]
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Careful,

[tex]1.25*s^2+3s+9=\frac{5}{4}\left(s+\frac{6}{5}+\frac{12i}{5}\right)\left(s+\frac{6}{5}-\frac{12i}{5}\right)\neq\left(s+\frac{6}{5}+\frac{12i}{5}\right)\left(s+\frac{6}{5}-\frac{12i}{5}\right)[/itex][/tex]
[tex] <br /> I can't see how I've gone wrong. If you use the quadratic formula straight up with<br /> a=1.25, b=3 and c=9 then <br /> <br /> s1,s2=-3+-sqrt(9-45)/(5/2)<br /> <br /> s1,s2=-3+-sqrt(-36)/(5/2)<br /> <br /> s1,s2=-3+-6i/(5/2)<br /> s1,s2=-6/5+-12i/5<br /> <br /> so s+6/5-12i/5 and s+6/5+12i/5 are the two roots[/tex]
 
Sure, the roots are s1,s2=-3+-6i/(5/2), but as^2+bs+c=a(s-s1)(s-s2) not just (s-s1)(s-s2)
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Sure, the roots are s1,s2=-3+-6i/(5/2), but as^2+bs+c=a(s-s1)(s-s2) not just (s-s1)(s-s2)

im getting a little confused now :confused:

I don't understand why its as^2+bs+c=a(s-s1)(s-s2).
Is this a special case or something? I have never seen it done like that before

at this stage... s1,s2=-6/5+-12i/5
don't you just take the whole term on the right to the left hand side?
where does the five over four come from here 5/4*(...)?
 
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It's basic algebra... when you expand (s-s1)(s-s2) using FOIL, you get s^2+bs/a+c/a not as^2+bs+c...you should really know this stuff by now
 

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