How to Expand the Inverse Function of a Given Function?

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The discussion revolves around the expansion of the inverse function of a given function, specifically how to express the expansion of \( f^{-1}(x) \) in a manner analogous to the expansion of \( f(x) \). Participants explore the conditions under which such expansions are valid, the implications of differentiability, and the interpretation of the notation used for inverse functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the expansion of \( f^{-1}(x) \) can be expressed similarly to \( f(x) \), suggesting \( f^{-1}(x + \Delta x) = f^{-1}(x) + (df^{-1}/dx) \Delta x \).
  • Others argue that the conditions of the inverse/implicit function theorem must be satisfied to ensure the existence of a local differentiable inverse.
  • A few participants emphasize the need to consider the differentiability of \( f^{-1} \) and question how one can ascertain this property without knowing the behavior of \( f \).
  • There is a discussion about the interpretation of \( f^{-1} \) as either a function in its own right or as the inverse of a specific function \( f \), which leads to different conclusions about the nature of the expansion.
  • Some participants mention specific examples, such as \( \sqrt{x} \), to illustrate points about differentiability and invertibility near certain values.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the interpretation of the inverse function and the conditions necessary for its expansion. Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the expansion can be universally applied without additional conditions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of differentiability and invertibility, as well as the specific conditions under which the inverse function theorem applies. The discussion highlights the ambiguity in the phrasing of the original problem and how it affects the interpretation of \( f^{-1} \).

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If I'm given a function ##f(x)##, say it has continuos first derivative, then I expand it as ##f(x + \Delta x) = f(x) + (df / dx) \Delta x##. If instead, I'm given ##f^{-1}(x)## how do I go about expanding it? Will this be just ##f^{-1}(x + \Delta x) = f^{-1}(x) + (df^{-1} / dx) \Delta x##?
 
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Well, I'd have to imagine that since an inverse function is simply another function it should hold that rules for normal functions hold for inverse functions. I'd say yes then.
 
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We generally have $$f(x_0+v)= f(x_0) + J_{x_0}f\cdot v + r(v)$$
We have the same equation for ##f^{-1}(x)##, i.e.
$$f^{-1}(x_0+v)= f^{-1}(x_0) + J_{x_0}f^{-1}\cdot v + \tilde r(v)$$
So yes, you can write it this way, just be careful with ##\dfrac{df^{-1}}{dx}##.
 
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But I think you first need to make sure the conditions of the inverse/implicit function theorem are met, so that you know you have at least a local (differentiable) inverse. Consider the problems, e.g. of ##\sqrt x## near ##x=0##. And then maybe you can use the chain rule on ##f(f^{-1}(x))=x##
 
WWGD said:
But I think you first need to make sure the conditions of the inverse/implicit function theorem are met, so that you know you have at least a local (differentiable) inverse. Consider the problems, e.g. of ##\sqrt x## near ##x=0##. And then maybe you can use the chain rule on ##f(f^{-1}(x))=x##
Not in the situation stated in the OP ...
kent davidge said:
If instead, I'm given ##f^{−1}(x)## ...
... then we can write down the Weierstraß equation simply for this given function. How to compute the derivative given the derivative of ##f## is another question. If ##f^{-1}## is given, then we do not have to bother about ##f##.
 
fresh_42 said:
Not in the situation stated in the OP ...

... then we can write down the Weierstraß equation simply for this given function. How to compute the derivative given the derivative of ##f## is another question. If ##f^{-1}## is given, then we do not have to bother about ##f##.
How do you know the inverse is differentiable?
 
I can't think at this point of a counter, but I don't see how we can know for certain under the conditions in the OP.
 
WWGD said:
How do you know the inverse is differentiable?
By inspection. Given ##f^{-1}## means to me, given a function ##x \longmapsto f^{-1}(x)## and not given that ##f## has an inverse. I consider it as just another function, since this was what I read from post #1. In your example with the square root, I assume that a sign is given. And ##x \longmapsto +\sqrt{x}## is differentiable on ##(0,\infty)## regardless whether it inverts ##x \longmapsto x^2## somewhere or not.
 
fresh_42 said:
By inspection. Given ##f^{-1}## means to me, given a function ##x \longmapsto f^{-1}(x)## and not given that ##f## has an inverse. I consider it as just another function, since this was what I read from post #1. In your example with the square root, I assume that a sign is given. And ##x \longmapsto +\sqrt{x}## is differentiable on ##(0,\infty)## regardless whether it inverts ##x \longmapsto x^2## somewhere or not.
But don't we need the inverse to be defined in a neighborhood of a point, as in the case of ##\sqrt x## at ##x=0##?
 
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Why? ##\sqrt{x}## isn't differentiable at ##x=0##, so what?
 
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But it is invertible there. EDIT: Why don't we take the discussion elsewhere to avoid disrupting this one further?
 
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WWGD said:
But it is invertible there.
But who cares?
kent davidge said:
If instead, I'm given ##f^{-1}(x)##
means to me: Consider ##f^{-1}\, : \,x \longmapsto +\sqrt{x}##.
Given a function, not given the fact that ##f## is invertible. These are two different statements. I admit that the OP could be read differently, but I read it as if ##f^{-1}## was explicitly given. And in this case I can write
fresh_42 said:
$$f^{−1}(x_0+v)=f^{−1}(x_0)+J_{x_0}f^{−1}⋅v+\tilde r(v)$$
with ##x_0 \in (0,\infty)## in case of ##f^{-1}(x)=\sqrt{x}##, i.e. ##x_0 \neq 0##.
EDIT: Why don't we take the discussion elsewhere to avoid disrupting this one further?
I think the question for the OP has been settled. The rest of the discussion is a very good example how language can be read differently and why accuracy is so important! In the end the whole debate is about what is meant by ##f^{-1}## is given: as a function in its own right (my interpretation) or as the inverse function of ##f## (your interpretation). But what should is given mean if you only relate to the existence?
 

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