How to Express Vectors of a Regular Hexagon in Terms of Given Components?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around expressing the vectors of a regular hexagon, specifically $\vec{AB}$, $\vec{CD}$, and $\vec{EC}$, in terms of given vector components $\underline{a}$ and $\underline{b}$. The context includes mathematical reasoning and vector representation within a geometric framework.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests redefining $\underline{b}$ as a coordinate vector, specifically $\begin{pmatrix} m \\0 \end{pmatrix}$, to facilitate the expression of other vectors.
  • Another participant argues that it is not necessary to express $\underline{a}$ and $\underline{b}$ in coordinate form, although it is possible, and emphasizes the need to express $\vec{AB}$ as a combination of $(k,l)$ and $(m,0)$.
  • A third participant clarifies the notation, questioning whether $\underline{b}$ and $b$ can both represent vectors, and provides expressions for the vectors: $\overrightarrow{AB} = \vec{a}$, $\overrightarrow{CD} = \vec{b} - \vec{a}$, and $\overrightarrow{EC} = 2\vec{a} - \vec{b}$.
  • There is a reiteration of the earlier points about expressing vectors in terms of $\underline{a}$ and $\underline{b}$, with a focus on the geometric intuition of the hexagon.
  • One participant expresses initial confusion about the notation but later acknowledges understanding the problem with the help of a diagram.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of redefining the vectors in coordinate form. While some believe it is helpful, others argue it is not required. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to express the vectors.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the potential confusion around the notation used for vectors, indicating a need for clarity in definitions. There is also an emphasis on the geometric properties of the regular hexagon that may influence the expressions of the vectors.

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ABCDEF is a regular hexagon with $\vec {BC}$ represents $\underline {b}$ and $\vec {FC}$ represents 2$\underline {a}$. Express, vector
$\vec {AB}$, $\vec {CD}$ and $\vec {EC}$ in terms of $\underline {a}$ and $\underline {b}$.

Before I start, I want to ask if we need to redefined $\underline {b}$ and 2$\underline {a}$? I mean, let $\underline {b}$ as

$$\begin{pmatrix} m \\0 \end{pmatrix}$$.

Thanks.
 
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You don't have to express $\underline{a}$ and $\underline{b}$ using their coordinates, though it's possible to get the answer that way as well. Suppose $\underline{a}=(k,l)$ and $\underline{b}=(m,0)$ and you express, say, $\vec{AB}$ using k, l and m. The difficulty is that you need express $\vec{AB}$ as a combination of specifically $(k,l)$ and $(m,0)$, not just as some expression of k, l and m.

It is clear that $\vec{EC}=\vec{FB}=\vec{FC}-\vec{BC}=2\underline{a}-\underline{b}$. To get a geometric intuition about the regular hexagon you can also look at this page.
 
Hello, anemone!

I don't understand the notation $\underline{b}$.
If $\underline{b}$ represents $\overrightarrow{BC}$, isn't $b$ also a vector?

$ABCDEF\text{ is a regular hexagon with }\vec{b} = \overrightarrow {BC}\text{ and }2\vec{a} = \overrightarrow{FC} $

$\text{Express vectors }\overrightarrow{AB},\;\overrightarrow{CD},\; \overrightarrow{EC}\text{ in terms of }\vec{a}\text{ and }\vec{b}.$
Code:
          A       B
          * - - - *
         / \     / \
        /   \   /   \ b
       /  a  \ /  a  \
    F * - - - * - - - * C
       \     / \     /
        \   /   \   /
         \ /     \ /
          * - - - *
          E       D

$\overrightarrow{AB} \:=\:\vec{a}$

$\overrightarrow{CD} \:=\:\vec{b} - \vec{a}$

$\overrightarrow{EC} \:=\:2\vec{a} - \vec{b}$
 
Evgeny.Makarov said:
You don't have to express $\underline{a}$ and $\underline{b}$ using their coordinates, though it's possible to get the answer that way as well. Suppose $\underline{a}=(k,l)$ and $\underline{b}=(m,0)$ and you express, say, $\vec{AB}$ using k, l and m. The difficulty is that you need express $\vec{AB}$ as a combination of specifically $(k,l)$ and $(m,0)$, not just as some expression of k, l and m.

It is clear that $\vec{EC}=\vec{FB}=\vec{FC}-\vec{BC}=2\underline{a}-\underline{b}$. To get a geometric intuition about the regular hexagon you can also look at this page.

Got it. Thanks, Evgeny.Makarov.
Maybe I'm just trying too hard...and not knowing that I'm actually trying to complicate the simple problem.

---------- Post added at 06:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:59 AM ----------

soroban said:
I don't understand the notation $\underline{b}$.
If $\underline{b}$ represents $\overrightarrow{BC}$, isn't $b$ also a vector?

I had the same reaction as you when I first read the problem!
Anyway, thanks, Soroban.
Now I fully understand with the help of the diagram and it really is as simple as that.:)
 

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