How to find acceleration from force and time?

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The problem involves a coin dropped into a well, where the time taken to hit the bottom is given, along with the force exerted by water that slows the coin to a stop. The subject area includes kinematics and dynamics, specifically focusing on the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss finding the mass of the coin using the equation m=f/a, while questioning the relevance of the time taken for the coin to fall and the forces acting on it in water. There is exploration of using kinematic equations to derive acceleration and velocity.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions for relevant equations and questioning the assumptions made about the time variables and forces involved. There is an ongoing exploration of how to incorporate gravity and the deceleration caused by water into their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the lack of a time variable in the initial equation and express uncertainty about how to calculate acceleration in water. There are references to previous parts of the question that may provide context for the current problem.

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Homework Statement


A coin is dropped into a well and the time taken to hit the bottom is 2.48 seconds. Calculate the mass of the coin if the water slows it to a stop in 0.72 seconds exerting an average force of 0.41N on the coin

Homework Equations


F=ma m=f/a

The Attempt at a Solution


Finding the mass from m=f/a but first finding the acceleration with just the time and force values
 
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Hi day, :welcome:

It is clear you'll need another relevant equation: in yours there is no time variable present. Any idea what to do with the 2.48 seconds, for example ?
 
Hmm I didn't think the 2.48s was relevant to the mass but it very well could be. The other two parts of the question before this ask for the depth of the well and the final velocity of the coin - which I derived from the suvat equation s=ut+1/2at^2 which I rearranged for the acceleration of 0.806m/s^2. I also got the displacement of the fall as 4.959m and the final velocity as 1.999m. These are probably relevant to the final question and the mass but I'm not sure how..
 
Ahh, I think I've forgotten to include gravity 9.81ms^2 in the original equation as acceleration.
 
Day3091 said:
Finding the mass

Can you find the deceleration caused by the water ?
and then use ##f = ma##.
 
Possibly. I'm not sure how to calculate acceleration in water - would the 0.41N of force from the water be a clue? Once I've got that I can find a new velocity with the 0.72s. I may have to just use the final velocity from the fall and carry it over? It is just 0.72s afterall...
 
Draw an FBD for the coin in water. What are the forces acting and in which directions?
 
Day3091 said:
Possibly. I'm not sure how to calculate acceleration in water - would the 0.41N of force from the water be a clue? Once I've got that I can find a new velocity with the 0.72s. I may have to just use the final velocity from the fall and carry it over? It is just 0.72s afterall...

try ##v-u=at## to find declaration.
 
Day3091 said:
Hmm I didn't think the 2.48s was relevant to the mass but it very well could be. The other two parts of the question before this ask for the depth of the well and the final velocity of the coin - which I derived from the suvat equation s=ut+1/2at^2 which I rearranged for the acceleration of 0.806m/s^2. I also got the displacement of the fall as 4.959m and the final velocity as 1.999m. These are probably relevant to the final question and the mass but I'm not sure how..
##{1/2}\;gt^2## (an expression that does include a time!) gives me something else for ##t=2.48## s. And 1.999 m is not a speed. Could you show the complete exercise text and post your working (instead of some answer numbers)?
 

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