How to find admissible functions for a domain?

In summary, the conversation discusses the momentum operator and its adjoint in quantum mechanics, as well as the two main operators X and D, their domains, and the form of admissible functions. The speaker also asks about the method for finding these functions in the domain of an operator, specifically in regards to the use of exponential functions. The experts responding clarify that this is not a trial and error process, but rather requires a certain level of familiarity with mathematics. They also mention the importance of distinguishing between real and complex exponentials.
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Hi, in a text provided by DrDu which I am still reading, it is given that "the momentum operator P is not self-adjoint even if its adjoint ##P^{\dagger}=-\hbar D## has the same formal expression, but it acts on a different space of functions."

Regarding the two main operators, X and D, each has a domain in ##\mathscr{H}## which represent the set of admissible functions, and that satisfy the completeness relation in ##\mathscr{H}## and the inner product.

In practice in quantum chemistry or in quantum physics, one would like to know the form of these functions. In Bohms "Quantum Theory" Bohm shows an explicitely example of such a function ##f(x)=e^{-x^2}g(x)## where g is a polynomial. This is an ideal example of such a function, however in this book, as well as in others, it seems that these functions "are pulled out of thin air", without any method to it. Is this a trial and error process fueled by the experience of the mathematician to find such a function? There are, probably other forms than the above-given, so my question is, is there a method to find a list of functions in the the domain of an operator?
Thanks!
 
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SemM said:
Hi, in a text provided by DrDu which I am still reading, it is given that "the momentum operator P is not self-adjoint even if its adjoint ##P^{\dagger}=-\hbar D## has the same formal expression, but it acts on a different space of functions."

Regarding the two main operators, X and D, each has a domain in ##\mathscr{H}## which represent the set of admissible functions, and that satisfy the completeness relation in ##\mathscr{H}## and the inner product.

In practice in quantum chemistry or in quantum physics, one would like to know the form of these functions. In Bohms "Quantum Theory" Bohm shows an explicitely example of such a function ##f(x)=e^{-x^2}g(x)## where g is a polynomial. This is an ideal example of such a function, however in this book, as well as in others, it seems that these functions "are pulled out of thin air", without any method to it. Is this a trial and error process fueled by the experience of the mathematician to find such a function? There are, probably other forms than the above-given, so my question is, is there a method to find a list of functions in the the domain of an operator?
Thanks!

"Pulled out of thin air" in this case is simply "at a level of mathematics that the reader is supposed to be familiar with". No advanced physics text is likely to spend much time explaining that ##f(x)=e^{-x^2}g(x)## (where g is a polynomial) is square integrable, infinitely differentiable, and all its derivatives are square integrable. You're supposed to be familiar with mathematics at this level.

This is not "A" for advanced mathematics. The result required here is simply that an exponential "dominates" a polynomial.
 
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The result required here is simply that an exponential "dominates" a polynomial.

This is the key to my question, if the exponential term dominates it, how come several exponential functions are dismissed and thus ##f(x)=e^{-ix}g(x)## is not allowed? The square integrable nature of a function, accounting for that you mean ##\langle |\psi|^2 \rangle## can in some cases have to be calculated numerically, should the function be more complex. .ie. ##f(x)=e^{(-x^2-x)}g(x)##.

Thanks PeroK.
 
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SemM said:
This is the key to my question, if the exponential term dominates it, how come several exponential functions are dismissed and thus ##f(x)=e^{-ix}g(x)## is not allowed? The square integrable nature of a function, accounting for that you mean ##\langle |\psi|^2 \rangle## can in some cases have to be calculated numerically, should the function be more complex. .ie. ##f(x)=e^{(-x^2-x)}g(x)##.

Thanks PeroK.

There's a big difference between real exponentials and complex exponentials. Again, no one writing these books is expecting these sorts of questions.
 
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There's a big difference between real exponentials and complex exponentials. Again, no one writing these books is expecting these sorts of questions.

OK, can't complain on that!
 

1. How do I determine the domain for a function?

The domain of a function is the set of all possible input values for the function. To determine the domain, you must first identify any restrictions on the input values, such as division by zero or square root of a negative number. Then, you can write the domain using interval notation or set notation.

2. What makes a function admissible for a given domain?

A function is admissible for a given domain if it satisfies all the restrictions and produces a unique output for every input in the domain. This means that the function must be defined and continuous for all values in the domain.

3. How do I find admissible functions for a specific domain?

To find admissible functions for a specific domain, you can use algebraic techniques such as factoring, simplifying, or using mathematical operations to manipulate the function. Additionally, you can use graphical methods by plotting the function and ensuring that it satisfies the criteria for admissibility in the given domain.

4. Can a function have multiple admissible domains?

Yes, a function can have multiple admissible domains. This means that the function can be defined and continuous for more than one set of input values. However, the function must still satisfy all restrictions and produce a unique output for each input in each of its admissible domains.

5. What is the importance of finding admissible functions for a domain?

Finding admissible functions for a domain is crucial in mathematics and science as it allows us to accurately model and understand real-world phenomena. Admissible functions help us make predictions, analyze data, and solve problems in various fields such as physics, engineering, and economics.

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