How to Find λ in a Triangle with Given Vectors OA, OB, P, and Q?

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of λ in a triangle defined by vectors OA, OB, P, and Q, with specific relationships between these vectors. The problem involves vector manipulation and understanding geometric relationships in a triangle.

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between the vectors OA, OB, and others, with attempts to express various segments in terms of s and t. Questions arise regarding the missing information about angles and the implications for the length of AB. Some participants also explore algebraic manipulations to derive relationships between the vectors.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their attempts and reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the algebraic relationships that need to be established, and there is acknowledgment of the need for further exploration of the equations derived from the vector relationships.

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There are indications of missing information, particularly regarding angles between the vectors, which may affect the relationships being discussed. The original poster expresses confusion over arriving at a tautological equation, suggesting a need for clearer definitions or additional context.

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Homework Statement


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Given that:
OA = 5s
OB = 10 t
P is on the middle of OA and AQ = 3 QB

Find λ if BG = λ BP


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The Attempt at a Solution


I have found AB, BQ, OQ, BP; all in terms of s and t. How to find λ? I've tried but always came back to equation BP = BP or 0 = 0. Please give me hint to start

Thanks
 
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If you have found AB then you must have some information you have not given here.
The length AB depends not only on the lengths of OA and OB but also on the angle between them.

(There is no "B" in your picture. I assume it is the third vertex of the triangle.
 


HallsofIvy said:
If you have found AB then you must have some information you have not given here.
The length AB depends not only on the lengths of OA and OB but also on the angle between them.

(There is no "B" in your picture. I assume it is the third vertex of the triangle.

Yes, the third vertex is B. This is my work:
AB = AO + OB = -5 s + 10 t

Sorry I didn't explain it clearly. I didn't find the length but I found the vector.

BQ = 1/4 BA = 1/4 (5s - 10t)

OQ = OA + AQ = 5 s + 3/4 (10t - 5s) = 5/4 (6t + s)

BP = BO + OP = -10t + 5/2 s

By the way, the value of λ should be 2/5. Thanks
 


songoku said:
Yes, the third vertex is B. This is my work:
AB = AO + OB = -5 s + 10 t

Sorry I didn't explain it clearly. I didn't find the length but I found the vector.

BQ = 1/4 BA = 1/4 (5s - 10t)

OQ = OA + AQ = 5 s + 3/4 (10t - 5s) = 5/4 (6t + s)

BP = BO + OP = -10t + 5/2 s

By the way, the value of λ should be 2/5. Thanks

That looks to be a good start. Now, let OG=μ OQ, then OQ = OA + AQ and after some algebra work. OQ = 5/4 s + 30/4 t

BG = λ [5/2 s - 10t ]

OG + GB = OB
5/4 μs + 30/4 μt + 10 λt - 5/2 λs = 10t and by comparing...

30/4 μ + 10 λ = 10 --- 1
5/4 μ -5/2 λ =0 ---2

Now you are left to solve the simultaneous equations. :smile:Hope that helps.
 


Ah damn, didn't think about elimination.

Thanks. That helps a lot
 

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