How to find the cube roots of a real number not equal to 1?

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The discussion revolves around finding the cube roots of a real number, specifically the number 5, and extends into the complex plane. Participants explore the implications of cube roots in both real and complex contexts, referencing De Moivre's theorem and the representation of roots in exponential form.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of cube roots, including the distinction between real and complex roots. There is an exploration of using exponential notation to express these roots and questions about the visual representation of these roots in the complex plane. Some participants also reference methods for finding roots and the role of roots of unity in the process.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the representation of cube roots and questioning the implications of their findings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of exponential forms and roots of unity, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the problem.

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Participants express confusion regarding the transition from real to complex roots and the notation used to describe them. There are references to past educational experiences and methods for calculating cube roots, indicating a variety of approaches and potential gaps in understanding.

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If we want to find the cube roots of the number 1 we do
$$z^3=1=e^{2\pi n i}$$
$$z=e^{\frac{2\pi}{3}ni}$$
and for ##n=0,1,2## we obtain the three cubic roots of ##1##.

How do we find the cube roots of, say, the number 5?
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$$z^3=5=5e^{2\pi ni}$$

$$z=5^{1/3}e^{\frac{2\pi}{3}ni}$$
There is that term ##5^{1/3}## but that is exactly what we're trying to find.
 
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Of course, one of the cube roots of 5 is the cube root of 5 but there are two more that are 120 degrees apart on the complex plane if you were to plot them.

Has your teacher never shown you De Moivre's theorem?

 
I think my confusion is arising because I am not taking into account that we are searching for the roots in the space of complex numbers.

When we write

$$x^3=5=5e^{2\pi ni}\tag{1}$$

$$x=5^{1/3}e^{\frac{2\pi}{3}ni}\tag{2}$$

the number ##5^{1/3}## in the expression above is a real number.

It is also a cube root of ##5##.

We are searching for ##5^{1/3}## but in the complex space. For a real root, the root also has the representation ##5^{1/3}##.

In other words, and please correct me if I am wrong, but we are using ##5^{1/3}## to denote two distinct things: (1) any complex root of ##5## and (2) the real root of ##5##.

To find all the roots, all we have to do is use ##n=0,1,2## in (2) to find that

- for ##n=0## we get the real root ##5^{1/3}##

- for ##n=1## we get the complex root ##5^{1/3}e^{\frac{2\pi}{3}i}##

- for ##n=2## we get the complex root ##5^{1/3}e^{\frac{4\pi}{3}i}##.
 
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Visually what is the n=0,1,2 doing for

$$x=5^{1/3}e^{\frac{2\pi}{3}ni}\tag{2}$$

in the complex plane?

What does ##{2\pi}/3## equate to in degrees?
 
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Visually what is the n=0,1,2 doing for

$$x=5^{1/3}e^{\frac{2\pi}{3}ni}\tag{2}$$

in the complex plane?
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These are also the three cube roots of the number 1. We multiply by ##5^{1/3}## to get the cube roots of ##5##.
 
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My next question was going to be about something I read here.

Namely, that to solve ##z^n=c=re^{i\theta}## we can find one solution ##r^{1/n}e^{i\theta/n}## and then find all solutions by multiplying by the solutions to ##z^n=1##.

The link seems to imply we can choose any one solution to then multiply by the solutions to the n-th roots of ##1##.

Indeed, after checking this method for ##z^3=5## it does indeed work.

So basically, it seems that to solve ##z^n=c## we can take the real solution ##c^{1/n}## and multiply it by the ##n## ##n##-th roots of unity.
 
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