How to Find the Equation of a Plane Given Three Points?

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of a plane given three points in three-dimensional space. Participants explore different methods to derive the equation, including the use of the cross product and setting up a system of equations based on the general form of a plane equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents points A(-3,8,1), B(5,-7,-18), and C(-1,-5,24) and attempts to use the cross product to find the plane's equation, referencing a book answer.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the cross product of vectors AB and AC to find a normal vector, then proposes dividing the coefficients by -74 and substituting point A to find the constant d.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the calculations and requests clarification on specific steps.
  • Another participant points out that a previous post did not complete the calculation of the determinant and emphasizes that using the cross product is one method among others to find the plane's equation.
  • This participant also outlines a method to derive three equations from the coordinates of the given points, which can be solved to find the coefficients a, b, and c in the plane equation.
  • One participant indicates that the example they were trying to follow is not fully clear to them.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the method to find the equation of the plane, with multiple approaches discussed and some participants expressing confusion about the calculations involved.

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Some participants' calculations and assumptions regarding the cross product and the determinant are not fully resolved, leading to uncertainty in the steps required to derive the plane's equation.

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$\tiny\textit{243.12.7.12}$

$\textsf{Write the equation for the plane through points}$
$$A(-3,8,1),\, B(5,-7,-18),\, C(-1,-5,24)$$
ok, tried to follow an example of cross product but..
$$\displaystyle\vec{AB}\times \vec{AC} =
\begin{bmatrix}
\textbf{i} & \textbf{j} & \textbf{k}\\
\, 5 &-7 &-1\\
-1 &-5 &-1
\end{bmatrix}=$$
book answer $\color{red}{ \displaystyle 8x + 3y + z = 1 }$
 
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$$ax+by+cz=d$$

$$\vec{AB}\times \vec{AC} =
\begin{bmatrix}
\textbf{i} & \textbf{j} & \textbf{k}\\
\, 8 &-15 &-19\\
2 &-13 &23
\end{bmatrix}$$

Divide the coefficients of the resulting vector by $-74$, plug in point $A$ to find $d$, then check the result by plugging in points $B$ and $C$.
 
sorry didn't really follow that
 
Can you be specific? Exactly what is it that you don't understand?
 
In your first post you wrote "[math]\left|\begin{array}{ccc} \vec{i} & \vec{j} & \vec{k} \\ 8 & -15 & -19 \\ 2 & -13 & 23\end{array}\right|= [/math]" without writing what it was equal to! Is your problem that you cannot calculate that determinate/cross product?

"Expanding" the determinant by the top row, [math]\vec{i}\left|\begin{array}{cc}-15 & -19 \\ -13 & 23\end{array}\right|- \vec{j}\left|\begin{array}{cc} 8 & -19 \\ 2 & 23\end{array}\right|+ \vec{k}\left|\begin{array}{cc}8 & -15 \\ 2 & -13\end{array}\right|= -98\vec{i}- 222\vec{j}- 74\vec{k}[/math]

In any case, while using the cross product to get a normal vector to the plane is one way to get the equation of the plane, it is not the only way! You should know that any plane, in an xyz-coordinate system, can be written as ax+ by+ cz= d, and that we could always divide through by, say, d, to get ax+ by+ cz= 1 so we need to determine the values of the three coefficients, a, b, and c. We need three equations to do that and we can get three equations by putting the x, y, z coordinates of the three given points in that general equation.

One point is (−3,8,1) so we must have -3a+ 8b+ c= 1.
Another point is (5,−7,−18) so we must have 5a- 7b- 18c= 1.
A third point is (−1,−5,24) so we must have -a- 5b+ 24c= 1.

Solve those three equations for a, b, and c.
 
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