How to find the function for which ∫ √x*√(1+y'^2) dx is stationary?

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The discussion revolves around a problem from classical mechanics involving the Euler-Lagrange equation. Participants are tasked with finding the path function for which the integral ∫ √x*√(1+y'^2) dx is stationary.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Euler-Lagrange equation to the function f=√x*√(1+y'^2). There are attempts to manipulate the equation derived from the condition ∂f/∂y'= constant, leading to questions about the integration process and simplification of terms involving y'.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different algebraic manipulations and questioning the form of the solution. Some guidance has been offered regarding algebraic transformations, but there is no explicit consensus on the next steps or the integration process.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the form of the solution, as the problem asks for y=y(x) while the proposed solution is expressed as x=x(y).

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This was originally posted in a non-homework forum and does not use the template.
this is an euler lagrange equation problem from the book- "classical mechanics-John R. Taylor", problem-6.11

find the path function for which ∫ √x*√(1+y'^2) dx is stationary.

the answer is- x= C+(y-D)^2/4C, the equation of a parabola.

here the euler lagrange equation will work on f=√x*√(1+y'^2).

since ∂f/∂y= 0, so ∂f/∂y'= const

→ √x*y'/ √(1+y'^2)= constant.

then i don't get how i get from here to the equation of the parabola.

any help?
 
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Square both sides of the equation, then do algebra till you get ##y'## on one side, and ##x## on the other. Integrate.
 
well, squaring gives me- x*y'^2=C(1+y'^2). i could separate to get x=C(1+y'^2)/y'^2

how do i integrate the terms involving y'^2 ?
 
You have not simplified it enough. You can transform that to an equation that does not involve fractions.
 
Does anyone know why the problem asks for y=y(x) but the solution is in the form x=x(y)?
 

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