How to Integrate a Polynomial Under a Square Root?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the polynomial expression 3x² + √(4 - x²) with respect to x. Participants explore various methods for solving the integral, including substitution techniques and trigonometric identities.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for help integrating the expression, expressing frustration with being stuck.
  • Another suggests breaking the integral into two parts: 3x² and √(4 - x²), and proposes using a substitution involving sine.
  • A participant questions the necessity of sine substitution, seeking clarification on its relevance.
  • It is reiterated that the integral can be split into two separate integrals, and that trigonometric substitution may be needed for the second part.
  • One participant asserts that the product rule for differentiation does not apply to integration in this context, emphasizing the need for trigonometric substitution to handle the square root.
  • Another participant cautions against a proposed integration method, stating that the polynomial under the square root requires a specific approach involving trigonometric identities and substitutions.
  • There is a mention of the possibility of using the area of a circle formula if the integral is definite from 0 to 2.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the methods of integration, particularly regarding the use of trigonometric substitution. There is no consensus on the best approach to take for the integral.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference trigonometric substitution and its application, while others express uncertainty about its necessity. The discussion does not resolve the specific steps needed for integration.

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How do you integrate this??

Integral of 3x^2 + (4-x^2)^(1/2) dx ??

I tried a u substitution for the 4-x^2 but what do you do with 3x^2? If someone could walk we through this, i'd greatly appreciate it...i hate being stuck on something so trivial in the middle of a problem.
 
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Break it into two integrals, 3x^2 and (4-x^2)^(1/2).

Then use maybe x=2sin(u)
 
sin? where did sin come into the picture? Is that the only way to do this?
 
[tex]\int 3x^2 + \sqrt{4-x^2} \,dx[/tex]

Yes, break into two integrals:

[tex]\int 3x^2 \, dx + \int (4-x^2)^\frac{1}{2} \, dx[/tex]

I think theperthvan is saying the second integral needs trig substitution.
 
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so is the second part equal to (2/3)(4-x^2)^3/2 ?? you don't have to do anything with the internal part, 4-x^2 like you do with the product rule in differentiation?
 
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so is the second part equal to (2/3)(4-x^2)^3/2 ?? you don't have to do anything with the internal part, 4-x^2 like you do with the product rule in differentiation?

No, that will most definitely not work. Here you have a polynomial under a square root. You need to get rid of the square root. Here's what you do.

For [tex]\int \sqrt{a^{2}-x^{2}} \,dx[/tex], use [tex]x = a \, sin(\theta)[/tex]

Note that you also need to substitute the differential, [tex]dx = a \, cos(\theta)d\theta[/tex]

I hope I'm not saying too much, but also remember to use a certain trigonometric identity to eliminate the radical.

Having said this, if you don't know what a trigonometric substitution is, then my guess is that your calculus class hasn't yet covered it. Do you need to compute an antiderivative, or are you trying to compute a definite integral? Because if you're doing the definite integral from 0 to 2, you can do this simply by using the formula for the area of a circle.
 

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