How to Integrate and Compare Solutions for a Partial Differential System?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a system of partial differential equations (PDEs) involving two functions, \(u\) and \(v\), with specific initial conditions. Participants explore methods for integrating and comparing solutions, addressing the implications of the initial conditions on the proposed solutions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants present a general solution for \(u\) and \(v\) as functions of \(h\) and \(g\), suggesting that both functions share a similar form.
  • One participant questions the assumption that \(u\) and \(v\) are identical, pointing out inconsistencies with the initial conditions provided.
  • Another participant suggests choosing a specific form for \(u\) and substituting it back into the system to derive the corresponding solution for \(v\).
  • There is a discussion about the derivatives \(u_x\) and \(u_y\) and how they relate to the original equations, with participants providing expressions for these derivatives based on their proposed forms of \(u\).
  • Participants express the need to integrate the resulting equations separately and compare the outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the solutions for \(u\) and \(v\), with some advocating for a shared form while others highlight inconsistencies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to integrate and compare the solutions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about the functions \(u\) and \(v\), particularly in relation to the initial conditions. The discussion also reflects a dependency on the specific forms chosen for \(h\) and \(g\), which may influence the integration process.

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\begin{array}{l}
u = u(x,y) \\
v = v(x,y) \\
and\\
{u_x} + 4{v_y} = 0 \\
{v_x} + 9{u_y} = 0 \\
with\ the\ initial\ conditions \\
u(x,0) = 2x _(3)\\
v(x,0) = 3x _(4)\\
\end{array}

Easy,
u_{xx}-36u_{yy}=0 and v_{xx}-36v_{yy}=0
General solution u\left ( x,y \right )=h\left ( x+6y \right )+g\left ( y-6x \right )
Similar,
v\left ( x,y \right )=h\left ( x+6y \right )+g\left ( y-6x \right )

From (3) : 2x=h\left ( 6x \right )+g\left ( -6x \right )
From (4) : 3x=h\left ( 6x \right )+g\left ( -6x \right )

How to continue?
 
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arrow27 said:
\begin{array}{l}
u = u(x,y) \\
v = v(x,y) \\
and\\
{u_x} + 4{v_y} = 0 \\
{v_x} + 9{u_y} = 0 \\
with\ the\ initial\ conditions \\
u(x,0) = 2x _(3)\\
v(x,0) = 3x _(4)\\
\end{array}

Easy,
u_{xx}-36u_{yy}=0 and v_{xx}-36v_{yy}=0
General solution u\left ( x,y \right )=h\left ( x+6y \right )+g\left ( y-6x \right )
Similar,
v\left ( x,y \right )=h\left ( x+6y \right )+g\left ( y-6x \right )

From (3) : 2x=h\left ( 6x \right )+g\left ( -6x \right )
From (4) : 3x=h\left ( 6x \right )+g\left ( -6x \right )

How to continue?
Why are you assuming the solutions $u$ and $v$ are exactly the same? As you're seeing this is inconsistent with the initial conditions.
 
What can i do?
 
arrow27 said:
What can i do?
Choose one of them, say $$u = g(x+6y) + g(y-6x)$$, then sub this back into your system. Then integrate each giving the solution for $$v(x,y)$$. Then use your BC's.
 
But we have u_x and u_x in equations.
For example,

\[u = {g'(x)}(x + 6y) - 6{g'(x)}(x - 6y)\]
Sub this in the first equation?
 
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arrow27 said:
But we have u_x and u_x in equations.
For example,

\[u = {g'(x)}(x + 6y) - 6{g'(x)}(x - 6y)\]
Sub this in the first equation?
Sorry, that was a typo. If

$$u = h(6x+y) + g(6x-y)$$

then

$$u_x = 6h'(6x+y) + 6g'(6x-y)$$

$$u_y = h'(6x+y) - g'(6x-y)$$

So from the original set of PDEs we have

$$6h'(6x+y) + 6g'(6x - y) + 4 v_y = 0$$

$$v_x + 9\left(h'(6x+y) - g'(6x-y)\right) = 0$$

or

$$v_x = - 9h'(6x+y) + 9 g'(6x-y)$$

$$v_y = - \dfrac{3}{2} h'(6x+y) - \dfrac{3}{2} g'(6x - y). $$

Now integrate each separately and compare.
 

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