How to integrate \frac{(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-x}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}?

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a specific expression involving the variable \(\Phi\) and its application in a second-order differential equation. Participants explore methods to transform and solve the equation, as well as boundary conditions associated with it. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differential equations.

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  • One participant presents a differential equation and asks how to transform a specific term before the first derivative.
  • Another participant clarifies that \(\Phi\) and \(S\) are constants.
  • A solution obtained via Maple is shared, which includes boundary conditions that lead to constraints on constants \(C_1\) and \(C_2\).
  • There is a request for a method to solve the equation without computational tools, prompting a discussion on standard techniques for eliminating first derivative terms.
  • One participant describes a method involving the transformation of the equation to eliminate the first derivative term, leading to a new form of the equation for \(v(x)\).
  • Another participant questions the correctness of the transformation and provides an alternative form of the equation.
  • Details about the derivatives of the function \(A(x)\) are shared, including calculations for \(A'(x)\) and substitutions leading to a simplified form of the equation.
  • One participant presents their approach to integrating the expression and shares their results, which differ from another participant's integral result.

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There are multiple competing views regarding the methods for transforming and solving the differential equation. Participants express differing opinions on the correctness of certain transformations and integration results, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants rely on specific assumptions about the constants involved and the forms of the functions, which may affect the validity of their approaches. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the integration process.

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I have a problem with this equation

[tex]\frac{d^2\Omega(\alpha)}{d\alpha^2}+\frac{(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-\alpha}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-\alpha}}\frac{d\Omega(\alpha)}{d\alpha}-S(S+1)\Omega(\alpha)=0[/tex]

Boundary conditions are

[tex]\Omega(0)=1[/tex]

[tex][\Pi^S_{p=-S}(p-\frac{d}{d\alpha})]\Omega(\alpha)|_{\alpha=0}=0[/tex]

How to to transform part before first derivative [tex]\frac{(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-\alpha}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-\alpha}}[/tex]?
 
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[tex]\Phi[/tex] and [tex]S[/tex] are constants! Thanks for your answer!
 
The general solution to the equation (maple obtained) is

[tex]\Omega(x)= \frac{e^{-x/2}}{-\Phi-1+\Phi e^{-x}}(C_{1}e^{x(S+1/2)}+C_{2}e^{-x(S+1/2)})[/tex]

The first boundary condition puts the constraint

[tex]C_{1}+C_{2}=-1[/tex]

while the second one says

[tex]\Pi_{p=-S}^{p=S} [p-[(1+2S)C_{2}+S-\Phi]] =0[/tex]

which is a product with a finite number of terms. I assume S is an integer or half integer A solution is obtained by cancelling any factor of the product. You get a solution for any C2 satisfying

[tex](1+2S)C_{2}+S-\Phi=p, -S\le p \le S[/tex]

All this needs some checking
 
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Ok! But how to get solution without use of any computer programme? How to solve this with pencil and paper? What is the idea?
 
Well, first thing I thought was eliminating the term in the first derivative by a standart trick. If

[tex]u''(x)+A(x)u'(x)-S(S+1)u(x)=0[/tex]then it turns out that [tex]u(x)=exp(-\frac{1}{2}\int{A(x')dx'})v(x)[/tex] transforms the equation into

[tex]v''+[-S(S+1)-A^2/4-A'/2]v=0[/tex]

In this case, we have

[tex]\int{A(x)dx}=-2ln[\frac{exp(-x/2)}{-1-\Phi+\Phi exp(-x)}][/tex]

And the resulting equation for v(x) is

[tex]v''(x)-(S+1/2)^{2}v(x)=0[/tex]

resulting in the solution above. This equation has several lucky "coincidences", but the procedure to eliminate the first derivative term is standard, and very useful for non-homogeneous oscilators
 
gato_ said:
Well, first thing I thought was eliminating the term in the first derivative by a standart trick. If

[tex]u''(x)+A(x)u'(x)-S(S+1)u(x)=0[/tex]


then it turns out that [tex]u(x)=exp(-\frac{1}{2}\int{A(x')dx'})v(x)[/tex] transforms the equation into

[tex]v''+[-S(S+1)-A^2/4-A'/2]v=0[/tex]

Are you sure about this?

I get equation

[tex]v''+[-S(S+1)+\frac{A^2}{4}-\frac{A}{2}-\frac{A'}{2}]v=0[/tex]
 
gato_ said:
Well, first thing I thought was eliminating the term in the first derivative by a standart trick. If

[tex]u''(x)+A(x)u'(x)-S(S+1)u(x)=0[/tex]


then it turns out that [tex]u(x)=exp(-\frac{1}{2}\int{A(x')dx'})v(x)[/tex] transforms the equation into

[tex]v''+[-S(S+1)-A^2/4-A'/2]v=0[/tex]

In this case, we have

[tex]\int{A(x)dx}=-2ln[\frac{exp(-x/2)}{-1-\Phi+\Phi exp(-x)}][/tex]

And the resulting equation for v(x) is

[tex]v''(x)-(S+1/2)^{2}v(x)=0[/tex]

resulting in the solution above. This equation has several lucky "coincidences", but the procedure to eliminate the first derivative term is standard, and very useful for non-homogeneous oscilators

How you get this form [tex]v''(x)-(S+1/2)^{2}v(x)=0[/tex] from [tex]v''+[-S(S+1)-A^2/4-A'/2]v=0[/tex]?
 
By substituting A
 
[tex]A(x)=\frac{(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-x}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}[/tex]

[tex]A'(x)=[\frac{(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-x}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}]'[/tex]

[tex]A'(x)=\frac{-\Phi e^{-x}[(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}]-[(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-x}]\Phi e^{-x}}{[(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}]^2}=\frac{-2\Phi e^{-x}(1+\Phi)}{[(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}]^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{-A'(x)}{2}=\frac{\Phi e^{-x}(1+\Phi)}{[(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}]^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{-A^2}{4}=-\frac{\frac{(1+\Phi)^2}{4}+\frac{1}{2}(1+\Phi)\Phi e^{-x}+\frac{1}{4}\Phi^2 e^{-2x}}{[(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}]^2}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{-A^2}{4}-\frac{A'(x)}{2}=-\frac{\frac{(1+\Phi)^2}{4}-\frac{1}{2}(1+\Phi)\Phi e^{-x}+\frac{1}{4}\Phi^2 e^{-2x}}{[(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}]^2}=-\frac{1}{4}[/tex]

[tex]\upsilon''(x)-(S+\frac{1}{2})^2\upsilon(x)=0[/tex]


Thanks!
 
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You are welcome
 
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gato_ said:
In this case, we have

[tex]\int{A(x)dx}=-2ln[\frac{exp(-x/2)}{-1-\Phi+\Phi exp(-x)}][/tex]

I got

[tex]\int \frac{(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-x}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}dx=2ln[\frac{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}{\Phi e^{-x}}][/tex]


I have done this integral like

[tex]\int \frac{(1+\Phi)+\Phi e^{-x}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}dx=\int\frac{1+\Phi}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}dx+\int\frac{\Phi e^{-x}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}dx[/tex]

and got

[tex]\int\frac{1+\Phi}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}dx=ln[\frac{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}{\Phi e^{-x}}][/tex]

and

[tex]\int\frac{\Phi e^{-x}}{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}dx=ln[{(1+\Phi)-\Phi e^{-x}}][/tex]
 

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