How to measure the density of a material?

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The discussion revolves around methods for measuring the density of materials, specifically focusing on solid powders. Participants explore various techniques, including volume displacement and gas pycnometry, while addressing the challenges associated with measuring the density of powders compared to solid samples.

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  • One participant suggests weighing a solid sample and using volume displacement in water to measure its volume.
  • Another participant notes that the volume displacement technique is not suitable for powders and mentions the use of density bottles in school physics labs.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for a liquid that does not interact with the solid to avoid issues like adsorption or floating.
  • It is proposed that a helium gas pycnometer is generally used to determine the true density of solid powder particles.
  • One participant questions the choice of helium, suggesting that small volumes and low densities lead to small masses.
  • Another participant mentions bulk density as an easier alternative, recommending weighing the container with and without the material to calculate density.
  • A participant raises concerns about the classical method of water displacement, stating that it may not be effective for irregularly shaped powders due to potential surface interactions.
  • There is a reference to gas pycnometry as a solution that utilizes an inert gas and Boyle's gas law to address these challenges.
  • One participant makes a comparison to a modified Burnett apparatus, indicating a potential connection to existing methods.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the appropriate methods for measuring density, with no consensus reached on a single best approach. There are competing views on the effectiveness of different techniques, particularly regarding the use of water displacement versus gas pycnometry.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in traditional methods for measuring density, particularly for powders, and the need for careful selection of measurement techniques based on material properties.

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how to measure the density of material
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please I want to know how the measure the density of material considering that I have idea just about molar mass and mass thank you in advance
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What kind of material? If you have a solid sample, first weigh it and then use volume displacement in a graduated water beaker to measure its volume?
 
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yes I have a powder . thank you
 
but for powder this technique that you told me is useful !
 
This sort of thing is covered in the most elementary school physics textbooks, or used to be.

School physics labs have 'density bottles', bottles made to exactly e.g. 50 ml with a capillary stopper to make a precise volume.

Your liquid needs to be one that has no interaction with the solid, i.e. does not adsorb it nor dissolve in it. You don't want the solid floating on the liquid either.
 
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epenguin said:
Your liquid needs to be one that has no interaction with the solid, i.e. does not adsorb it nor dissolve in it. You don't want the solid floating on the liquid either.
To determine the true density of solid powder particles, one therefore generally uses a helium gas pycnometer.
 
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Lord Jestocost said:
uses a helium gas pycnometer.
Helium? Not heavy inert gases; small/fixed volumes times low densities equal small masses?
 
EL AALLAOUI Najla said:
yes I have a powder . thank you
Easier if you can just accept Bulk Density. Weigh the volume measurement container with and without your material. Note the volume measurement. Density, or in such a case, bulk density, is mass (which in your case might need to be "weight") divided by volume.
 
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Helium? Not heavy inert gases; small/fixed volumes times low densities equal small masses?
"The problem with volume measurement is that object or substance isn't usually in a form of a regular shape but as a deformerd object or as a powder. Using classical method such as water diplacement isn't usually good enough since water could interact and become stuck on the sample surface. Gas pycnometry solves this by utilizing an inert gas and Boyle's gas law."

from: https://wiki.aalto.fi/display/SSC/Gas+pycnometry#cite-summary-2-1
 
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