How to notate a variable that is being held constant

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The discussion centers on the notation used to indicate a variable that is being held constant in mathematical equations, particularly in the context of physics and mathematics. Participants explore various symbols and methods for denoting constants during discussions of variable relationships without repeatedly stating which variables are constant.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recall a notation involving a symbol above or near a variable to indicate it is constant, but there is uncertainty about its specific form and meaning.
  • One participant suggests using partial derivative notation, such as ##\left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right)_t##, to indicate that a variable is held constant.
  • Another participant describes a simpler notation for indicating a constant variable during discussions of how variables change relative to each other, using an example with the equation d=vt.
  • There is mention of using dollar signs in spreadsheet programs like Excel to denote constants, though this may not be applicable to the discussion at hand.
  • One participant suggests creating a custom notation for tutoring purposes, acknowledging that it may not be widely recognized.
  • Another participant discusses the distinction between dependent and independent variables, noting a common convention in equation formulation but not a specific notation for constants.

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Participants express various ideas and suggestions regarding notation, but there is no consensus on a specific standard notation for indicating a variable held constant. Multiple competing views and methods are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion with function notation and the lack of a widely accepted standard for denoting constants, indicating that the discussion is exploratory and may depend on context.

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I remember learning at one point that you can put some sort of symbol on top or near a variable to indicate that it is being held constant. I thought that it was just a bar drawn above the variable but in some cases, it means "the average of."

Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 
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jldibble said:
I remember learning at one point that you can put some sort of symbol on top or near a variable to indicate that it is being held constant. I thought that it was just a bar drawn above the variable but in some cases, it means "the average of."

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Do you mean that, when taking a partial derivative and want to specifically keep t constant, you can write, for example, ##\left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right)_t##?
 
Mandelbroth said:
Do you mean that, when taking a partial derivative and want to specifically keep t constant, you can write, for example, ##\left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\right)_t##?

No, I mean something much simpler. It's a symbol or notation that you'd use as you're explaining how variables will change relative to each other.

Here's a very simple example using the equation d=vt (distance = speed*time):

Say I want to hold the speed at a constant value; I now know that by increasing the amount of time, I'll increase the value of the distance by a proportionate amount. My question involves a short-hand symbol for indicating that the speed is the variable that's being held constant, instead of wasting time writing out "___ is constant" everytime I'm discussing an equation.
 
In spreadsheet programs like excel this is done by putting '$' '$' around the variable, though I doubt that's what you're looking for.

Do you mean just saying:
##D= \frac{v}{t} \rightarrow D= \frac{v_1}{t}##? Because that sort of does it.
 
Vorde said:
Do you mean just saying:
##D= \frac{v}{t} \rightarrow D= \frac{v_1}{t}##? Because that sort of does it.


That's more like it, but not exactly what I had in mind.

It's such a dumb little thing but it's driving me nuts.

Thanks for the reply
 
jldibble said:
That's more like it, but not exactly what I had in mind.

It's such a dumb little thing but it's driving me nuts.

Thanks for the reply

What class was it? That might help?
 
Vorde said:
What class was it? That might help?

It's not for a specific class. I tutor for math and physics and there are times when I want to denote which variable in the equation is being held constant for the sake of discussing how the other variables effect each other.

I remember a math (or science) teacher I had in high school making a mark near the variable that would be held constant.
 
jldibble said:
It's not for a specific class. I tutor for math and physics and there are times when I want to denote which variable in the equation is being held constant for the sake of discussing how the other variables effect each other.

I remember a math (or science) teacher I had in high school making a mark near the variable that would be held constant.

I'm not familiar with any standard notation that denotes what you want. You could make one up for the students you are tutoring, but let them know it's not a notation they're likely to see elsewhere.

You could say something like "let d = x(t) = vt", where the function notation x(t) explicitly denotes that t is the variable. If the students need a mark to remind them which symbols are constants, function notation may at first be confusing for them, but it's a notation they will likely see again in the future.
 
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If you are talking about the distinction between "dependent variables" and "independent variables", I am not familiar with any specific notation, but there is a common convention of formulating equations so that the dependent variable goes on the left and the independent variable or variables go on the right.
 
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