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The discussion explores alternative proofs of the infinitude of prime numbers beyond Euclid's method, highlighting various algebraic approaches. While the Euclidean proof is praised for its simplicity, participants express interest in other techniques that could potentially aid in proving conjectures like the twin prime and Mersenne prime conjectures. Several proofs are mentioned, including Kummer's and Polya's, which utilize properties of Fermat numbers and the Euler zeta-function to argue for the existence of infinitely many primes. However, it is noted that these alternative proofs do not introduce fundamentally new ideas compared to Euclid's original proof. The conversation emphasizes the ongoing quest for diverse methods in number theory.
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Other than the Eucledean method
(1+p1p2p3...)and so on

other than this, how do we prove that there are infinite prime numbers?
in algebreic way (excluding analyses)
 
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The Euclidean proof is so neat and simple, I cannot imagine why you would want a different proof.
 
indeed

but I was just wondering if there is any other technique to prove there are infinite primes so it can be applied to prove twin prime conjecture, mersenne prime conjecture, or sophie-germain conjecture.
 
There are many many proofs of the infinitude of the primes

http://primes.utm.edu/notes/proofs/infinite/

And about 1/4 of the way down through this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number

and many more, but I hesitate to claim an infinite number of them.

However thus far nobody no one has seen how to use these to prove any of the conjectures you mention.

On a brighter and prime related note, there is now a non-crank proposed proof of Goldbach that has been submitted. It would be interesting to see if that could be explained in a form that those not in the "bright student" group could understand.
 
One proof due to the German mathematician Kummer:

Assumption:
Let P_{r}:={2,3,5,7,...,p_{r}} the finite set of all primes

form the prime factorial p_{r}#:=2*3*5*...*p_{r}
and the number q:=-1+ p_{r}#

q is not in P_{r}, that means, q is composite, with prime
factors from P_{r}; let p_{k} be one of those factors

Now: p_{k} divides both p_{r}# and q, hence it
must divide their difference: but this difference is 1
and p_{k} does NOT divide 1.

Therefore our assumption must be false
 
The above proof is essentially equivalent to euclids proof.
 
disregardthat said:
The above proof is essentially equivalent to euclids proof.

I think not.

Recall the original version of Euclids proof:

Let Q_{r}:={q_{1}, q_{2},...,q_{r}} be the set a r distinct
prime numbers, and set q:=1+q_{1}*...*q_{r}

(Note: the r primes must NOT be the first r primes 2,3,..,p_{r} !)

Then q is NOT divisible by any of the q_{i} and must therefore be an new
prime or at least a composite number formed with additional primes.

Therefore: from any Q_{r} you can construct a Q_{r+1}, and that proves the infinitude of the primes

Now compare this to the Kummer proof I cited.
 
The following proff is due to Polya

Let e:=2^{k} and F_{k}:=1+2^{e} be the Fermat numbers

with F_{0}:=3, F_{1}:=5, F_{3}:=17. F_{4}:=257, F_{5}:=65537, F_{6}:=4294967297, etc

we have the recurrence relation F_{k+1}:=2+\prod^{k}_{i=0}F_{i}

From the recurrence relation we have the following

Lemma: Any two F_{i} and F_{j} for distinct i, j are co-prime,
i.e. have no factors in common


Now let F:={F_{0},F_{1},F_{2},...} be the set of all Fermat numbers and this set is countable,
i.e. has the cardinality of N:={1,2,3,4,...}, the set of the natural numbers

Therefore no finite P_{r}:={2,3,5,...,p_{r}} can meet the requirements
of our Lemma, there would simply be not enough primes.
 
Let P:={p_{i}} = {2,3,5,7,...} and
E_{k}:=1+\prod^{k}_{i=1}p_{i} be the Euclid numbers with E_{1}:=3, E_{2}:=7, E_{3}:=31. etc

We have the following

Lemma All E_{i} are odd, i.e. 2 is not a factor of E_{i}.

and it is not difficult to prove the following

Theorem Any two E_{i}, E_{j} for different i,j are co-prime, i.e. have no common factors.

Now supose, P:={2,3,5,7,...,p_{r}}, then the corresponding {E_{i}} must be the numbers {2,3,5,7,...,p_{r}}
in some order (our Theorem), but that is impossible (our Lemma)

This proof was inspired by the Polya proof
 
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From the Euler \zeta-function \zeta(s):=\sum^{\infty}_{i=1}(\frac{1}{i})^{s}

we know, that \zeta(2) is \frac{\pi^{2}}{6}

This quantity is irrational, since \pi itself is irrational

From the Euler product formula, we have

\zeta(2):=\prod(1 - \frac{1}{p^{2}})^{-1}, where the product is taken over all primes

If there were only a finite number of primes, this product would
be a rational number, in contradiction to the irrational nature of \frac{\pi^{2}}{6},
which concludes the proof.
 
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RamaWolf said:
I think not.

Recall the original version of Euclids proof:

Let Q_{r}:={q_{1}, q_{2},...,q_{r}} be the set a r distinct
prime numbers, and set q:=1+q_{1}*...*q_{r}

(Note: the r primes must NOT be the first r primes 2,3,..,p_{r} !)

Then q is NOT divisible by any of the q_{i} and must therefore be an new
prime or at least a composite number formed with additional primes.

Therefore: from any Q_{r} you can construct a Q_{r+1}, and that proves the infinitude of the primes

Now compare this to the Kummer proof I cited.

Yes, it is not equivalent, but "essentially" equivalent. It doesn't contain any new ideas.
 

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