How To Prove it Inequality Proof

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The discussion revolves around proving an inequality involving two nonzero real numbers, a and b, under the condition that a<1/a

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss proving a<-1 by contradiction and the necessity of establishing that a<0 first. Questions arise regarding the clarity and redundancy of the proof's wording, particularly the assertion about one variable being negative. There is also a focus on the implications of multiplying inequalities by potentially negative products.

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Participants are actively refining their reasoning and wording. Some have offered constructive feedback on the clarity of the proof, while others are exploring the implications of different assumptions regarding the signs of a and b. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is progressing towards a clearer formulation of the argument.

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Participants are considering the implications of the signs of a and b, particularly in relation to the multiplication of inequalities. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions underlying the proof structure.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that a and b are nonzero real numbers. Prove that if a<1/a<b<1/b then a<-1.

The Attempt at a Solution


So after a while I realized that I could prove that a<-1 by contradiction but first I have to prove that a<0. I figured out how to prove it but I'm not sure if my wording is convincing enough and I feel that it might be redundant at points. Anyway, here's the proof:

Proof: Suppose a<1/a<b<1/b. It then follows that 1/a<1/b. Multiplying both sides of the inequality yields b<a, but this contradicts a<b. Therefore, one and only one variable a or b must be negative, and it follows that since b>a then a<0. Now suppose a\geq-1. Plugging the value a=-1 into a<1/a yields -1<1/-1 or -1<-1, which contradicts a<1/a. Therefore a<-1.

Now I feel like the wording of that proof is a mess but I'm not sure how I would reword it. Also am I being redundant in saying "one and only one variable a or b must be negative" or does that need to be there? Or am I crazy and the proof is acceptable as is?
 
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Sorgen said:

Homework Statement


Suppose that a and b are nonzero real numbers. Prove that if a<1/a<b<1/b then a<-1.


The Attempt at a Solution


So after a while I realized that I could prove that a<-1 by contradiction but first I have to prove that a<0. I figured out how to prove it but I'm not sure if my wording is convincing enough and I feel that it might be redundant at points. Anyway, here's the proof:

Proof: Suppose a<1/a<b<1/b. It then follows that 1/a<1/b. Multiplying both sides of the inequality
What is it you multiply by? What if ab is negative?

yields b<a, but this contradicts a<b. Therefore, one and only one variable a or b must be negative, and it follows that since b>a then a<0. Now suppose a\geq-1. Plugging the value a=-1 into a<1/a yields -1<1/-1 or -1<-1, which contradicts a<1/a. Therefore a<-1.

Now I feel like the wording of that proof is a mess but I'm not sure how I would reword it. Also am I being redundant in saying "one and only one variable a or b must be negative" or does that need to be there? Or am I crazy and the proof is acceptable as is?
 
SammyS said:
What is it you multiply by? What if ab is negative?

Oops yeah I multiply both sides by ab. If ab is negative then the statement doesn't contradict because we then get a<b, but didn't I state that by pointing out the contradiction of if ab is positive?

If I modified that part to say:

Suppose ab is a positive real number. Multiplying both sides of the inequality 1/a<1/b by ab yields b<a, but this contradicts a<b therefore ab must be negative and thus because a<b a<0.

Is that better?
 
Yes, that's better.
 
Awesome, thanks!
 

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