How to reduce humidity through mist eliminator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of reducing humidity levels in a greenhouse using mist eliminators. Participants explore the feasibility of introducing mist into an airstream to achieve dew point and subsequently collect excess moisture, while addressing various technical aspects and constraints of the proposed system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a project involving the introduction of cooled mist into a greenhouse environment to reduce humidity, suggesting that a small temperature reduction could achieve the desired dew point.
  • Another participant questions the logic of spraying mist into an airstream intended for dehumidification, suggesting that an air conditioner might be a more straightforward solution.
  • A participant clarifies that the mist eliminator is designed to collect water droplets, not fog, and proposes that adding moisture could help reach the dew point for collection.
  • Concerns are raised about the approach potentially increasing humidity to saturation levels before collecting excess mist, leaving the air at 100% relative humidity.
  • Several participants inquire about specific parameters such as temperature units, air volume, desired interior conditions, and building insulation, indicating a need for more detailed information.
  • A suggestion is made to use a heat exchanger to improve efficiency, with a comparison to how air conditioners operate, emphasizing the importance of collecting water droplets before they evaporate.
  • Another participant agrees with the heat exchanger suggestion and highlights the need for a mechanism to condense water directly from the air.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and logic of the proposed method for humidity reduction. There is no consensus on the best approach, with multiple competing ideas and suggestions presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various uncertainties, including the specifics of air introduction and exhaustion, the impact of solar load, and the overall design of the greenhouse system. These factors remain unresolved and may influence the effectiveness of the proposed solutions.

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Hy. I was working on a project to reduce humidity levels through mist eliminators. I have a room 1 that intakes air and i spray coolled mist to the same room 1. At the end of the room there is a fan and mist eliminator. What i was thinking is when air temp outside is 45 degree and humidity is 85% percentage, to achive dew point we need to reduce only 4 degree celecious. To do this i pass cooled water to the foger (using chiller) room 1. Then i pass this air through mist eliminator to room 2.
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farispksalmanul said:
TL;DR Summary: Hy. I was working on a project to reduce humidity levels through mist eliminators. I have a room 1 that intakes air and i spray coolled mist to the same room 1. At the end of the room there is a fan and mist eliminator. What i was thinking is when air temp outside is 45 degree and humidity is 85% percentage, to achive dew point we need to reduce only 4 degree celecious.
Since you are introducing mist artificially and then extracting it, I assume this is a project for schoolwork? If so, I can more your thread to the schoolwork forums for you.

Also, you seriously have an interior temperature of 45C and exterior temperature of 4C? What kind of a hothouse is this?
 
Why are you spraying mist into an airstream you want to dehumidify? It seems like you are doing the opposite of what you really want. And why isn't the answer just "air conditioner"? You seem to be leaving out a lot of important details. Please give a complete description of the application and known constraints.
 
I want to implement this in a greenhouse for agriculture. Its not a project for schools. Outside temperature is 45 degree and relative humidity is 85%. Mist eliminator only collects water droplets not fog, or it canot collect water from a normal air. So i was planning to add moisture to make airstream to reach dew point and collect this water using mist eliminators.
 
farispksalmanul said:
Outside temperature is 45 degree and relative humidity is 85%. Mist eliminator only collects water droplets not fog, or it canot collect water from a normal air. So i was planning to add moisture to make airstream to reach dew point and collect this water using mist eliminators.
This approach will increase the humidity past saturation and then collect the excess mist, leaving the air at 100% RH.
 
Welcome! :cool:
Is the temperature in C or F?
How much air is being introduced and exhausted?
What interior conditions are desired?
Insulated building?
Solar load?
 


For clarity i have uploaded a video to youtube. Please.
 
Lnewqban said:
Welcome! :cool:
Is the temperature in C or F?
How much air is being introduced and exhausted?
What interior conditions are desired?
Insulated building?
Solar load?
Degree celcious
Interior condition is 75% to 85 % relative humidity and temp between 23-27 degree celcious
Building is made by (closed greenhouse) all side covered with poly sheets.
Solar load have no idea
How much air is supplied (no idea)
 
You would get better results if you sent the cooled water from the chiller thru a heat exchanger, maybe something like a radiator from a car or truck.

Then a fan could blow air thru the heat exchanger, radiator, and you have cool air.

That is about how air conditioners work.
Cheers,
Tom
 
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Tom.G said:
You would get better results if you sent the cooled water from the chiller thru a heat exchanger, maybe something like a radiator from a car or truck.

Then a fan could blow air thru the heat exchanger, radiator, and you have cool air.

That is about how air conditioners work.
Cheers,
Tom
I agree. If he OP has a mechanism for producing cold droplets of air then it will involve a heat exchanger (/condenser / something) . At some stage, the water droplets will need to be collected and pumped away before they heat up and start to evaporate which could take you back to square one. So why not just condense the water directly from the air to the surface of the heat exchanger.

This thought experiment has been far from a waste of time, though because it's made us all think. :smile:
 

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