Vapour pressure vs saturation pressure; too much confusion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of vapour pressure and saturation pressure, particularly in relation to relative humidity. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between these terms, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of humidity in different contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that vapour pressure is equal to saturation pressure at 100% relative humidity, indicating a potential confusion between the two terms.
  • Another participant emphasizes that relative humidity is expressed in percent and can only occur in non-equilibrium cases, suggesting a distinction between equilibrium and non-equilibrium conditions.
  • A different viewpoint states that relative humidity can apply even when no liquid is present, defining it as the ratio of partial pressure to equilibrium vapour pressure at the gas mixture's temperature.
  • A later reply acknowledges the complexity of the situation, humorously referencing the presence of liquid in daily rain as a factor in understanding humidity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and applications of relative humidity, vapour pressure, and saturation pressure. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about equilibrium and non-equilibrium states, as well as the definitions of vapour pressure and saturation pressure. These aspects are not fully clarified, leading to ongoing confusion among participants.

Ravi Singh choudhary
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It was only the psychrometry came; I read about vapour pressure is equal to the saturation pressure at 100% relative humidity. While before even in the textbooks both terms are used frequently as same. I fully understood what saturation pressure is; learned during phase change phenomenon of water. Again I learned about vapour pressure defined in closed container and through physics forums I understood about non equilibrium phenomenon in open container. Somehow I am not able to relate humidity, vapour pressure and saturation pressure but I think I know them independently well. Please help me.
 
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(Relative) humidity is usually expressed in percent and can only occur if there are other gases present in non-equilibrium cases. (i.e. equilibrium ##\equiv## 100 % humidity).
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BvU said:
(Relative) humidity is usually expressed in percent and can only occur if there are other gases present in non-equilibrium cases. (i.e. equilibrium ##\equiv## 100 % humidity).
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Relative humidity does not only apply to non-equilibrium situations; for example, it can also apply if there is no liquid present. The relative humidity is defined as the partial pressure divided by the equilibrium vapor pressure at the temperature of the gas mixture, times 100%.
 
Thanks Chet, I didn't think of that! Too much liquid around in the daily rain :smile:
 

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