How to see if a cosmological model is flat?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining whether a cosmological model is flat, open, or closed, particularly when the model does not explicitly include a curvature parameter (k). Participants explore various methods to assess the geometric properties of different line elements in cosmology.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the RW metric and questions how to determine the curvature of a model without explicit k-dependence, using a specific line element as an example.
  • Another participant suggests transforming the metric to coordinates used in the RW metric or computing the Riemann tensor for the 3-dimensional spatial metric as methods to determine curvature.
  • A participant points out a potential error in the metric notation and clarifies that if the corrected form is used, it corresponds to a flat model (k=0).
  • Further elaboration is provided on how to compute the curvature tensor and its implications for determining flatness in different coordinate systems.
  • Participants discuss the generality of the curvature tensor approach and the conditions under which spatial metrics can be flat, emphasizing the role of specific hypersurfaces in FLRW spacetimes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods to assess curvature, but there is no consensus on the implications of specific models or the ease of transforming to Cartesian coordinates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the applicability of these methods to all models.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on specific coordinate systems and the complexity of transformations for non-flat spaces. The discussion also highlights the need for computational tools to verify curvature calculations.

Philip Land
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The RW metric reads
$$ds^2 = -dt^2 + a^2(t) \Big( \frac{dr^2}{1-kr^2} + r^2 d\theta^2 + r^2 sin(\theta)^2 d\phi^2 \Big)$$

The value of k determines the model is flat/open/closed.

But say if we have a model on a completely different form, with no explicit k-dependence. How would I determine if it's closed(open/flat?

Take a very simple example: $$ ds^2 = -dt^2 a(t)^2 \Big( dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 \Big)$$

How would you see what model this lin-element would correspond to?
 
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Philip Land said:
How would I determine if it's closed(open/flat?

One way would be to transform it to the coordinates used in the first line element.

A second way would be to compute the Riemann tensor for the 3-d spatial metric inside the parentheses.
 
Philip Land said:
The RW metric reads
$$ds^2 = -dt^2 + a^2(t) \Big( \frac{dr^2}{1-kr^2} + r^2 d\theta^2 + r^2 sin(\theta)^2 d\phi^2 \Big)$$

The value of k determines the model is flat/open/closed.

But say if we have a model on a completely different form, with no explicit k-dependence. How would I determine if it's closed(open/flat?

Take a very simple example: $$ ds^2 = -dt^2 a(t)^2 \Big( dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 \Big)$$

How would you see what model this lin-element would correspond to?

Did you mean to type
$$ds^2 = -dt^2 + a\left(t\right)^2 \left( dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 \right) ?$$
If you didn't mean to type this, then your metric doesn't make sense, as its fourth-order in differentials. If you meant what I wrote, then ##k=0##. To see this, set ##x = r\sin\theta\cos\phi##, ##y = r\sin\theta\sin\phi##, ##z = r\cos\theta##. Then,
$$\begin{align}
dx &= \frac{\partial x}{\partial r} dr +\frac{\partial x}{\partial \theta} d\theta + \frac{\partial x}{\partial \phi} d\phi \\
&= \sin\theta\cos\phi dr + r\cos\theta\cos\phi d\theta - r\sin\theta \sin\phi d\phi .
\end{align}$$
Similarly,
$$dy = \sin\theta\sin\phi dr + r\cos\theta\sin\phi d\theta - r\sin\theta \cos\phi d\phi $$
and
$$dz = \cos\theta dr + r\sin\theta d\theta .$$
A little computation gives
$$dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2 = dr^2 + r^2 d\theta^2 + r^2 \sin\left(\theta\right)^2 d\phi^2 .$$
 
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Yes this is exactly what I ment and this was very helpful. Thank you very much.
 
PeterDonis said:
One way would be to transform it to the coordinates used in the first line element.

A second way would be to compute the Riemann tensor for the 3-d spatial metric inside the parentheses.
Philip Land said:
Yes this is exactly what I ment and this was very helpful. Thank you very much.
I explicitly carried through Peter's first suggestion.

Peter's second suggestion is more general. The idea is that while the above spacetime is not flat, space (specific 3-dimensional hypersufaces in FLRW spacetimes) can be flat. These 3-dimensional hypersufaces are picked out by setting ##t = \mathrm{constant}##, so that ##dt =0##, and ##a\left(t\right)##, and the metric for space is
$$dr^2 + r^2 d\theta^2 + r^2 \sin\left(\theta\right)^2 d\phi^2$$
in spherical coordinates, and
$$dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2$$
in Cartesian coordinates. Because all the components of this spatial metric are constant in Cartesian coordinates, it is easily seen that, in this coordinate system, all the components of the curvature tensor are zero. If all the components of a tensor are zero in a particular coordinate system, then all the components of a tensor are zero in every coordinate system. Consequently, putting the components of this spatial metirc in spherical coordinates in the standard express for the Riemann curvature tensor will give zero for all components. If I had to verify this, I would you a computer package, e.g., Maple Mathematica, Macsyma.

It might not be easy (or possible if the space is not flat) to see a transformation to Cartesian coordinates, but calculation of the curvature tensor in any coordinate system is enough to indicate flatness/non-flatness.
 

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